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post #1906 of 2145
Not sure what that means. But I have a bunch of Arpenteur, Rag and Bone, EG and APC pants that I got tailored to my 28" inseam that--now that I have found my bag in the darker designers--are pretty much useless and unsellable.

I'm not kidding myself when I buy a $1700 LUC jacket that it will fetch more than half of that in 9/10 condition. Just trying to stave off deeper losses if at all possible.
post #1907 of 2145
seems to me like you're essentially renting clothes and burning a lot of cash doing it
post #1908 of 2145
Thread Starter 
My clothing turnover is HUGE -- I like to think of it as rent to own. Sometimes it takes me a year to figure out I don't like something. I always go ahead with the alterations, though, sleeves that don't fit right ruin the whole piece for me
post #1909 of 2145
@nicelynice I've tried on a lot of light "work jackets" over the years and the Breadmaker is by far the best I've tried and I have no regrets spending a little more on it. The narrower shoulders work really well for me but I also found the sleeves were the perfect width compared to other jackets (some also have a shirt cuff, which I hate) and I also really like the pocket at the back.
post #1910 of 2145
So, at this point in the game I don't think I really need to defend my buying and selling practices here, as I believe I have amassed a beautiful collection of clothes that I think I will own for a very long time.

However, as of four years ago or so I got a wakeup call here on SF after posting numerous times in "Should I Buy" thread with very different questions on strikingly different designers/aesthetics. I was told "It looks like you're just buying everything on the internet and hoping it works out. Maybe you should figure out what your aesthetic is and try and work with that."

I didn't really know what an "aesthetic" was and, it was true, I was scatterbrained and just picking stuff that looked good on the 110lb 6'2" Swedish male models. It was a mistake and I still have some clothes from back then that I haven't been able to move for whatever reason.

But shortly after that I came here to the artisanal threads and found my niche. The dark colors work with my skin and my frame. At 5'6" with a sleeve length of 24" and struggling to maintain 170lbs (down from 250 a few years ago) I have a limited choice of off-the-rack items to chose from. So I'm almost never able to not have something tailored to make it fit right.

I've had some Layer-0 arms shortened, same for some KKA and LUC. I have had some Geoffrey B Small trousers hemmed and an SLP denim jacket basically completely remade for me at their 57th St store in NYC. Most of my LUC and L0 pants have been shortened. I've spent a lot of money at my tailor and, in turn, she has gotten to familiarize herself with some pretty obscure brands.

So, I think the suggestion that I'm "renting clothes" is a bit of an insult and pretty far off base. There are jackets I own that I couldn't ever see parting with. But I know that at some point I may consider letting them go to help pay for a new piece. So taking 1" off the sleeves of a 2.5k jacket makes me a bit hesitant if it's something I can live with.

How many people here hold onto their tags and original boxes/bags/paperwork? Why do we do that? Because it will help when the day comes to move things out and move other things in regardless of if that is weeks, months or years.

I hope this clears things up. Now, someone please buy my LUC long coat. I paid almost double what I'm asking and it comes with tags, bag and has never been altered. smile.gif
post #1911 of 2145
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Originally Posted by Guy Burgess View Post

@nicelynice I've tried on a lot of light "work jackets" over the years and the Breadmaker is by far the best I've tried and I have no regrets spending a little more on it. The narrower shoulders work really well for me but I also found the sleeves were the perfect width compared to other jackets (some also have a shirt cuff, which I hate) and I also really like the pocket at the back.

And that SS14 black wool herringbone fabric is the 'bestest of the best' to quote an infamous flipper on SZ.
post #1912 of 2145
Thread Starter 
Ugh, thanks for enabling!! On a biz trip now, if it's still there Saturday I buy it with my overtime pay haha
post #1913 of 2145

anyone have impressions of Zam B's leather Henriksson hoodie? they are temptingly inexpensive right now..

post #1914 of 2145
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Originally Posted by m1kko View Post
 

Hate to read these kind of activities happening, esp. small brands like Zam. I think the exceptions to the rule of business as usual are the places where you really see how retailers work and what they're made of.

 

Sad to say, but after waiting for 3 weeks for any kind of reply via email or whatsapp, I'm gonna put this out in public that I'd recommend staying away from THE OFFICE GALLERY (Tassos, Demetra) at this point–even though people have had good transactions as have I previously. In the middle of one of these exceptional situations and seems they're just going to ride into the sunset with my deposits without any replies whatever. 

 

I don't care to go into specifics as this point as I'm forced to use these public channels to just deign a response for them...

 

I thought I wouldn't comment publicly any more until some resolution but the situation has become so absurd I really want to let people know what kind of 'enterprise' I've been dealing with here.

 

So the story goes that I placed and order in March last year for a HIgh Neck leather and a pair of black derbies. As per The Office Gallery's policies they call the former a 'Special Order', I guess to make it sound like a made-to-measure order which would be excluded from the consumer protection laws of the EU – even though it isn't, they've sold of course many of this same leather jacket with various minor variations in details. Also the black derbies they had already backordered so I did not place any 'Special Order' on these.

 

So a year and a half passes.

 

I get a message from Tassos Gkekas (fuck yeah I'm writing with your complete name to index you in Google) and Demetra Constantinou that the leather has arrived. I explain that after I have had another child I'm not in a financial situation that I can acquire said jacket (I had all but forgot about the order at this point, lots of work and hanging out with the family seems a lot more important at this point). They say no can do and reference their policy that 'Special Orders' cannot be refunded. I of course talk about the Consumer Protection laws that we have in the EU (their policy states that refund can only happen 7 DAYS FROM ORDER but delivery date is anywhere from one year on) and simultaneously cancel my order of the derbies. Again they reference their policy that reserved orders will not be refunded after 7 days after placing order. 

 

So, now I'm in a situation that I've sent 900€ deposit on the leather and 750€ deposit on the derbies and I have nothing in return (so they can chalk these you as margin after they are now free to sell these items), I see that as stealing my money. This was where I was the last time that I posted and was a bit pissed. I posted my personal view, to people to stay the hell away from a shady operation like this. What is the last message I get from The Office Gallery in Nicosia, Cyprus, from Tassos A. Gkekas and Demetra Constantinou...?

 

"Dear Mr. Mikko,

 

Please, go ahead. From now on, we ask you to please fully pay for both contacts and anyway a letter from our layer will be prepared.We anyaway going to sue you on Monday for all damage you have cause to the Office.

 

Best regards 

the Office"

 

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I've purchased a pair of drips before (which were ill fitting, too big, thanks to Tassos' sizing 'advice' and a pair of trousers I returned for being too small. But seriously, you have something not going completely your way and as a retailer you resort to threatening of suing me??

 

(BTW, as last posted I had a hard time of getting any response from Mr. Tassos Gkekas for many weeks, he claimed a 'family emergency' – but still he was very up to date on what I had wrote the previous day!!! Yes, I had to call him cause I didn't get any response, he asked to call be back via a Whatsapp call, yeah feel really confident I've sent my hard earned cash to a company that can't even afford long distance calls with their clients... Also during the flippant lying from Tassos: "Yes the jacket turned out a really nice size between 46 and 48" "Oh, then it would be too tight for me as I'm a 48 pretty spot on" "Oh no, yes it fits a 48 perfect" Me thinking: "WTF").

 

So yeah, maybe sour grapes on my part but the latest turn where they threaten to sue me as I post my personal opinion about them is preposterous. I reiterate my point: STAY AWAY FROM THE OFFICE GALLERY IN NICOSIA, CYPRUS RUN BY TASSOS A. GKEKAS AND DEMETRIA CONSTANTINOU LIKE THE PLAGUE. I don't know why C.C.P. works with these jokers. Everyone that PM'd me when I last posted, try to stick it to them, hope you live in the EU...

 

This will be the last that I comment about this publicly. Over and out and back to your regular programming.

post #1915 of 2145
Quote:
Originally Posted by m1kko View Post
 

 

I thought I wouldn't comment publicly any more until some resolution but the situation has become so absurd I really want to let people know what kind of 'enterprise' I've been dealing with here.

 

So the story goes that I placed and order in March last year for a HIgh Neck leather and a pair of black derbies. As per The Office Gallery's policies they call the former a 'Special Order', I guess to make it sound like a made-to-measure order which would be excluded from the consumer protection laws of the EU – even though it isn't, they've sold of course many of this same leather jacket with various minor variations in details. Also the black derbies they had already backordered so I did not place any 'Special Order' on these.

 

So a year and a half passes.

 

I get a message from Tassos Gkekas (fuck yeah I'm writing with your complete name to index you in Google) and Demetra Constantinou that the leather has arrived. I explain that after I have had another child I'm not in a financial situation that I can acquire said jacket (I had all but forgot about the order at this point, lots of work and hanging out with the family seems a lot more important at this point). They say no can do and reference their policy that 'Special Orders' cannot be refunded. I of course talk about the Consumer Protection laws that we have in the EU (their policy states that refund can only happen 7 DAYS FROM ORDER but delivery date is anywhere from one year on) and simultaneously cancel my order of the derbies. Again they reference their policy that reserved orders will not be refunded after 7 days after placing order. 

 

So, now I'm in a situation that I've sent 900€ deposit on the leather and 750€ deposit on the derbies and I have nothing in return (so they can chalk these you as margin after they are now free to sell these items), I see that as stealing my money. This was where I was the last time that I posted and was a bit pissed. I posted my personal view, to people to stay the hell away from a shady operation like this. What is the last message I get from The Office Gallery in Nicosia, Cyprus, from Tassos A. Gkekas and Demetra Constantinou...?

 

"Dear Mr. Mikko,

 

Please, go ahead. From now on, we ask you to please fully pay for both contacts and anyway a letter from our layer will be prepared.We anyaway going to sue you on Monday for all damage you have cause to the Office.

 

Best regards 

the Office"

 

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I've purchased a pair of drips before (which were ill fitting, too big, thanks to Tassos' sizing 'advice' and a pair of trousers I returned for being too small. But seriously, you have something not going completely your way and as a retailer you resort to threatening of suing me??

 

(BTW, as last posted I had a hard time of getting any response from Mr. Tassos Gkekas for many weeks, he claimed a 'family emergency' – but still he was very up to date on what I had wrote the previous day!!! Yes, I had to call him cause I didn't get any response, he asked to call be back via a Whatsapp call, yeah feel really confident I've sent my hard earned cash to a company that can't even afford long distance calls with their clients... Also during the flippant lying from Tassos: "Yes the jacket turned out a really nice size between 46 and 48" "Oh, then it would be too tight for me as I'm a 48 pretty spot on" "Oh no, yes it fits a 48 perfect" Me thinking: "WTF").

 

So yeah, maybe sour grapes on my part but the latest turn where they threaten to sue me as I post my personal opinion about them is preposterous. I reiterate my point: STAY AWAY FROM THE OFFICE GALLERY IN NICOSIA, CYPRUS RUN BY TASSOS A. GKEKAS AND DEMETRIA CONSTANTINOU LIKE THE PLAGUE. I don't know why C.C.P. works with these jokers. Everyone that PM'd me when I last posted, try to stick it to them, hope you live in the EU...

 

This will be the last that I comment about this publicly. Over and out and back to your regular programming.

So, I don't mind this type of review on the forum, but seriously, please stay away from your caps lock. 

 

Now, keeping in mind that I have never ordered anything from The Office:

 

If it was a special order,

1) CCP, Guidi, etc... are notoriously slow, and waits of over a year are often to be expected.  

2) Your financial issues are really not a valid excuse to cancel an order.  It's simply not fair to impose your burdens on a retailer that has done you a service.  You went into the transaction knowing that the order could not be cancelled, so it's unreasonable to ask to cancel when all is said and done.  When I do a special order, I set aside the remainder, as "used money".  Because it really is.

 

fwiw, I have four kids, so yeah, I understand financial burdens.

post #1916 of 2145
i'm sorry your transaction turned out this way, but i have to agree with la guy here.

but it's really shitty how they followed up.
post #1917 of 2145
I perfectly understand that the store wouldn't refund an order of this kind, no matter how long it takes to arrive.
post #1918 of 2145
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

So, I don't mind this type of review on the forum, but seriously, please stay away from your caps lock. 

Now, keeping in mind that I have never ordered anything from The Office:

If it was a special order,
1) CCP, Guidi, etc... are notoriously slow, and waits of over a year are often to be expected.  
2) Your financial issues are really not a valid excuse to cancel an order.  It's simply not fair to impose your burdens on a retailer that has done you a service.  You went into the transaction knowing that the order could not be cancelled, so it's unreasonable to ask to cancel when all is said and done.  When I do a special order, I set aside the remainder, as "used money".  Because it really is.

fwiw, I have four kids, so yeah, I understand financial burdens.


Yeah of course, at this point I see the money as a lost cause. But still feels not right as they're now free to sell said items and rack up my deposits as pure profit (how hard is it for them to sell a pair of black derbies I've already paid 65% of retail for?). And as said, those they had already backordered so they'd have them in stock anyways.

But I digress, my main point of the post was that after I post my personal opinion of a retailer they threaten & pressure me with a lawsuit to not say anything in public. Seriously fucked up Tassos. I wouldn't have posted anything more if not for this ridiculous turn of events.
post #1919 of 2145
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Originally Posted by m1kko View Post


Yeah of course, at this point I see the money as a lost cause. But still feels not right as they're now free to sell said items and rack up my deposits as pure profit (how hard is it for them to sell a pair of black derbies I've already paid 65% of retail for?). And as said, those they had already backordered so they'd have them in stock anyways.

But I digress, my main point of the post was that after I post my personal opinion of a retailer they threaten & pressure me with a lawsuit to not say anything in public. Seriously fucked up Tassos. I wouldn't have posted anything more if not for this ridiculous turn of events.

Just as someone who has sold stuff before on a regular basis - it's not that easy to offload a special order, and it certainly takes away the risk mitigation factor that is the main benefit of doing preorders in the first place.  After all, even if you've paid a deposit for it, they have certainly made no profit from it, and depending on the margins, may potentially still be at a small loss.  If nothing else, a sale is now inventory taking up space and that was not accounted for.  So, your deposit is not pure profit.  At best, it's enough money to cover the cost of bringing in inventory that they now have to sell.  And selling is not an easy job.  

 

The lawsuit threat was dumb, whether they have a case or not.  That said, this does not seem to be a cut and dried case to me, fwiw.  Some are.  This, however, I would not characterize this as such.

 

My opinion is that it's best to only post this type of complaint when you are 100% in the right.  For example, if you got ripped off by Drew Keith.  In any other case... I'm not sure it's always a great idea.

post #1920 of 2145
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
 

Just as someone who has sold stuff before on a regular basis - it's not that easy to offload a special order, and it certainly takes away the risk mitigation factor that is the main benefit of doing preorders in the first place.  After all, even if you've paid a deposit for it, they have certainly made no profit from it, and depending on the margins, may potentially still be at a small loss.  If nothing else, a sale is now inventory taking up space and that was not accounted for.  So, your deposit is not pure profit.  At best, it's enough money to cover the cost of bringing in inventory that they now have to sell.  And selling is not an easy job.  

 

The lawsuit threat was dumb, whether they have a case or not.  That said, this does not seem to be a cut and dried case to me, fwiw.  Some are.  This, however, I would not characterize this as such.

 

My opinion is that it's best to only post this type of complaint when you are 100% in the right.  For example, if you got ripped off by Drew Keith.  In any other case... I'm not sure it's always a great idea.


Well these are pretty much all the facts of the matter from my pov and I am not embellishing anything. And I just want to point out the leather was what they called a 'Special Order' and the derbies were not.

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