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post #1861 of 2149
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Originally Posted by sinnedk View Post


your statement speaks to my point which is that the collection derives from CCP because the person worked there. And this point the collection seems too close to CCP, I think a few collections later something interesting may come.


Indeed

but on working there for many years its logical to conclude that they share similar philosophies in terms of cut, fit and detailing.

the two possibilities that exist is
1. a designer who worked many years for another designer, might decide to establish them self by doing something radically different from one their former employer is known for (see Antonio Berardi and John Galliano)
2. The designer might be committed to the philosophy and as such  continue in the same vein of thier former employer (see Junya Watanabe and Rei Kawakubo )

I don't think either direction is bad and I don't think one should consider deepti as derivative in the traditional/ pejorative sense.  I see it more as an extension of the work started at CCP, especially now Carol has not put out a collection in 6 years.....

post #1862 of 2149
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Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post

The pattern making was probably the weakest part of ccp because everything fits like shit, but the design is spectacular

Assuming I understand what a pattern maker actually does

Nah................I am assuming the fit was for a specific Body type (maybe Carol himself)
but the pattern making was spectacular. Many of the concepts Carol Worked on could not be executed without an exceptionally skilled pattern maker.....

post #1863 of 2149
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Originally Posted by Zamb View Post


Indeed
but on working there for many years its logical to conclude that they share similar philosophies in terms of cut, fit and detailing.
the two possibilities that exist is

1. a designer who worked many years for another designer, might decide to establish them self by doing something radically different from one their former employer is known for (see Antonio Berardi and John Galliano)

2. The designer might be committed to the philosophy and as such  continue in the same vein of thier former employer (see Junya Watanabe and Rei Kawakubo )


I don't think either direction is bad and I don't think one should consider deepti as derivative in the traditional/ pejorative sense.  I see it more as an extension of the work started at CCP, especially now Carol has not put out a collection in 6 years.....

Yes i definitely see it as an extension of CCP but thats what i see as the issue. I would much rather see a new CCP collection rather then the branch off from Deepti.
post #1864 of 2149

I think if the Deepti collection had been renamed CCP FW16, a lot more people would be swooning over it. 

 

I thought the collection had some interesting pieces and it was definitely trying to make fashion progress. The zig-zag on the front closure of jackets/coats was only one of the novelties. The long jacket that Atelier and Vertice has with the crash seams that actually open to reveal the shirt beneath was quite interesting and I think it would look great in motion. Idol also has a waxed blazer that really shows off fabric production with an amazing texture. The pattern/tailoring is just as highly executed as with CCP, and the cut is actually a little more forgiving than CCP (but only a little) -- I still found the biceps constricting / it's designed for a taller person of the same weight. 

 

The main 'problem' is that the collection does not have many 'wearable' pieces, so I don't know how well it will sell. 

post #1865 of 2149
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Originally Posted by t3hg0suazn View Post

I think if the Deepti collection had been renamed CCP FW16, a lot more people would be swooning over it. 

Not for me. I would've thought he was done.
post #1866 of 2149
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Not for me. I would've thought he was done.



Not at liberty to speak on it, as I have my own affairs
but there is a CCP collection in the works.......

post #1867 of 2149
Been hearing that for past few years
post #1868 of 2149
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Originally Posted by Zamb View Post


Not at liberty to speak on it, as I have my own affairs

but there is a CCP collection in the works.......

Not really referring to the rumor of a new collection but rather if Deepti's new collection was CCP's, I'd say CCP is done... or maybe try again.
post #1869 of 2149
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Originally Posted by nyarkies View Post

Not really referring to the rumor of a new collection but rather if Deepti's new collection was CCP's, I'd say CCP is done... or maybe try again.

you know carol's had so many collections since 1994 and most of us know him only for the last few, i'm sure he has had misses over the years and we didn't see them
post #1870 of 2149
Taichi stuff is nothing like Amadei though.
post #1871 of 2149
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Originally Posted by sinnedk View Post

you know carol's had so many collections since 1994 and most of us know him only for the last few, i'm sure he has had misses over the years and we didn't see them

I know and understand that. My point is, if this was his collection, it is just the 2010 collection with zigzag. It's not like he even tried at all.

But it's not. It's Deepti's. The way I see it, it is just a weak line up from somebody who is still trying to make it on their own and released their 2nd collection.
post #1872 of 2149

The zigzag stuff I saw at Darklands did not strike me as very interesting (on its own, I'd never seen any CCP in person before that either), just kind of finicky, but the broken-glass tuxedo (think I mentioned this before) was straight-up beautiful. (Also I mentioned it on facebook and several friends with no particular interest in fashion were super into it, ha.) Wish there was more stuff like that in the collection. (The Archive doesn't have one, do they? I saw they got some Deepti in but haven't been by.)

post #1873 of 2149
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Originally Posted by nyarkies View Post

I know and understand that. My point is, if this was his collection, it is just the 2010 collection with zigzag. It's not like he even tried at all.

But it's not. It's Deepti's. The way I see it, it is just a weak line up from somebody who is still trying to make it on their own and released their 2nd collection.

Understood and agreed thanks for clarifying
post #1874 of 2149
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Originally Posted by oulipien View Post

The zigzag stuff I saw at Darklands did not strike me as very interesting (on its own, I'd never seen any CCP in person before that either), just kind of finicky, but the broken-glass tuxedo (think I mentioned this before) was straight-up beautiful. (Also I mentioned it on facebook and several friends with no particular interest in fashion were super into it, ha.) Wish there was more stuff like that in the collection. (The Archive doesn't have one, do they? I saw they got some Deepti in but haven't been by.)

They have some Deepti but I didn't see the glass tux.
post #1875 of 2149

In case of anyone who is interested, the Paul Harnden double-breasted jacket on my listing has been marked down to lowest value. Attached a link of my listing. 

 

http://www.styleforum.net/t/528152/open-to-offer-lowered-price-on-ph-clear-out-sale-clothes-paul-harnden-lmaltieri-ma-part-2-of-2#post_8596801

 

 

 

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