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All EU citizens. 

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On NPR they were interviewing some woman author who blamed Muslim terrorism in France on the French.

Actually they didn't call them the French, they called them the people "traditionally" or "historically" called the French.
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Why can't you people tell the difference between assigning blame and explaining contributing factors?

 

To say that the French are dickheads to religious people isn't blaming them. It's saying that it simply contributes to the anger and alienation felt by some. It's not excusing terrorists or blaming the French. Fuck.

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The French? That's exclusionary and insulting. Remember, it's "the people historically called the French."
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On NPR they were interviewing some woman author who blamed Muslim terrorism in France on the French.

Actually they didn't call them the French, they called them the people "traditionally" or "historically" called the French.


Good for her. She truly understands multiculturalism.
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She has a point, though. The people historically called the French won't allow the French to wear their veils in public schools.
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A girl was once sent home in France because her skirt was too long.
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She has a point, though. The people historically called the French won't allow the French to wear their veils in public schools.

All religious symbols are banned, not just veils.
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Why can't you people tell the difference between assigning blame and explaining contributing factors?

To say that the French are dickheads to religious people isn't blaming them. It's saying that it simply contributes to the anger and alienation felt by some. It's not excusing terrorists or blaming the French. Fuck.

I fail to see the distinction between, "This action contributed to the cause" vs. "I blame this action as cause." At the very most you're just making it partial blame vs. totally to blame. There is no need to discuss the French attitude towards religion in this conversation unless that need is to assign blame, or it's statement equivalent, "contributes to."
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I fail to see the distinction between, "This action contributed to the cause" vs. "I blame this action as cause." At the very most you're just making it partial blame vs. totally to blame. There is no need to discuss the French attitude towards religion in this conversation unless that need is to assign blame, or it's statement equivalent, "contributes to."


When someone says they blame x for y they usually mean it's the main factor. Do you think the maltreatment of religious people in France and Europe is not a factor in the alienation many of these young people feel? 

 

People today like to take legitimate arguments, spin them as extreme absolutist opinions and then shout them down. 

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NEW: Pres. Hollande commits to taking 30,000 refugees in next 2 years; says France has duty to honor that commitment. “Life must go on.”

 

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All EU citizens. 

See? It's just like people have been saying - it's always foreigners.
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I fail to see the distinction between, "This action contributed to the cause" vs. "I blame this action as cause." At the very most you're just making it partial blame vs. totally to blame. There is no need to discuss the French attitude towards religion in this conversation unless that need is to assign blame, or it's statement equivalent, "contributes to."

Well, in conventional usage at least "blame" usually has a flavor of moral or normative judgment, no? To use a deliberately absurd example: one could talk about the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan while specifically noting that you're not "blaming" Jodi Foster, Robert DeNiro, or Martin Scorcese for making the movie.
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Well, in conventional usage at least "blame" usually has a flavor of moral or normative judgment, no? To use a deliberately absurd example: one could talk about the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan while specifically noting that you're not "blaming" Jodi Foster, Robert DeNiro, or Martin Scorcese for making the movie.

I have always taken blame to connote proximate cause or at least be one of the main factors in the proximate cause. It's the like the abusive husband that blames the wife for making him made type thing.
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When someone says they blame x for y they usually mean it's the main factor. Do you think the maltreatment of religious people in France and Europe is not a factor in the alienation many of these young people feel? 

People today like to take legitimate arguments, spin them as extreme absolutist opinions and then shout them down. 

So you are blaming then.
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