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post #751 of 2656
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

By resettlement they must mean UN quote refugees, otherwise it makes no sense.


We were nice, too nice and that shit failed spectacularly.

 

That doesn't mean go to the polar opposite side. Screen people. Separate Abu Dickhead from the guy fleeing Assad's barrel bombs or ISIS's machete. You all need an Ellis Island is what you need. 

post #752 of 2656
It's just ridiculously difficult to separate the two and people who are coming under the wrong pretence, can just say they are running from Assad. Even proving real Syrians from fake Syrians is close to impossible.

We have that it's called lampedusa and Greece.
post #753 of 2656
Finn, don't go trying to define "real" Syrians as there's no such thing!
post #754 of 2656
Genuine Syrian passport real Syrian, fake Syrian passport, not so much.

As I've said before the lack of personal papers makes it impossible to identify people and making sure they are telling the true impossible. You can't really call up Damascus and have them send Muhammad criminal record and its not like they are going to say "oh yeah, we know him serial child molester. Please return to sender"
post #755 of 2656
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

Genuine Syrian passport real Syrian, fake Syrian passport, not so much.

As I've said before the lack of personal papers makes it impossible to identify people and making sure they are telling the true impossible. You can't really call up Damascus and have them send Muhammad criminal record and its not like they are going to say "oh yeah, we know him serial child molester. Please return to sender"

post #756 of 2656
I think you meant all Syrians are real, even those from Africa.
post #757 of 2656
No, I was just doing an Ethan to you.
post #758 of 2656
At least John now has a real consequence and won't have to mock people for worrying about the "hypothetical downside." I wonder if he will update his shtick?

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Originally Posted by AldenPyle View Post

I think the USA has slightly better success in integrating traditional Muslims, but a big part of our success has been in attracting a relatively intelligent and functional set of immigrants. On the one hand its inhumane not to accept refugees from warzones in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. On the other hand, I worry that we wont be so successful at integrating a broader, less educated population. We accepted less than 200 refugees from Chechnya and THREE of them turned out to be terrorists and mass murderers. Obviously, more than 98% of Chechen refugees are not mass murderers, but I still don't like those odds.

Let's consider this - what do we have to gain if our success rate of assimilating Muslims is nearly flawless? Under an impossibly perfect scenario, let's say we assimilate 100%. How much value has a country created that couldn't be created through a different immigration policy that mitigated risk by being more selective? There is no value other than what some consider to be a moral achievement. It is only a moral achievement on behalf of the people we are bringing in - not so much for the people already here. I wouldn't call that an achievement.

We are perfectly capable of gaining all benefits of immigration by picking and choosing from other cultures. Now step away from an unrealistic scenario with a 100% success rate and consider the possible downsides, which is putting it politely. The downsides have already materialized, more than once. Pit the two options against one another. This should not be a hard decision. There is considerable risk versus little to no benefit.
Edited by suited - 11/16/15 at 12:52pm
post #759 of 2656
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At least John now has a real consequence and won't have to mock people for worrying about the "hypothetical downside." I wonder if he will update his shtick?

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Real question from someone who hasn't been vigilantly monitoring the news reports:

Does there appear to be concrete evidence that the perpetrators entered France/Europe in the guise of refugees?
post #760 of 2656
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Ship the fuckers to France.

Too soon.
post #761 of 2656
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Too soon.

Yeah, agreed.
post #762 of 2656
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Real question from someone who hasn't been vigilantly monitoring the news reports:

Does there appear to be concrete evidence that the perpetrators entered France/Europe in the guise of refugees?

As I understand it, sometime on Saturday it was confirmed that at least one of the attackers entered Europe posing as a refugee. I haven't seen anything to the contrary, but if that has changed someone please correct me.
post #763 of 2656
Too late. ISIS video threatening the US was just released. They've got some here already.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Too late. ISIS video threatening the US was just released. They've got some here already.


And a president and his party in denial.
post #765 of 2656
Ethan says there's no refugee terrorists in the US, so it must be fake.
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