sorry to interject here,
Originally Posted by Piobaire
The thing is, it isn't. Are you going to tell me that if one follows the verse I quoted above one is not obliged to believe and works towards Islam as the world's universal religion and that said religion by nature is a theocracy?
i don't know how you went from point A to B in that statement?
what is the context of that verse ?
"...and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah (charity); [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous."
A bit of a historical note: if you are a muslim and you follow the hadith (teachings/sayings of the prophet) and use as an example the first few generations of companions (as what the salafis do, hence the term salaf) you would look to their migration to Abyssinia and see that they entered a new, non-Muslim land and lived there peacefully without wanting to turn it into a Muslim land as they were not persecuted nor prevented from practicing their faith.
I think a lot of Canadian/American Muslims have a basic grasp of this (whether knowingly or not). But ironically, those smaller groups of hard core fanatics dedicated to emulating the first generations--i.e. the salafis and/or wahabis--seem to completely overlook this very clear example of migration in new land and, for instance, call for the islamization of the UK which is not permissible by historical standards or by many modern scholars. this is also consistent, for example, with two boys who several years ago fled the UK to syria had ordered books from amazon, "islam for dummies," and why a journalist allowed into the ISIS territories came back to report that most didn't seem to know much about islam at all.
so in essence, those acting "less islamically," per your requirements, are more closely following islamic tradition.