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http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/14/hillary-sanders-omalley-after-paris-attack-u-s-should-still-take-refugees/

I was worried until I found out we are going to "screen" them.

 

God forbid we have a sensible plan for helping refugees while still remaining vigilant on security. Who has time for all of that? Let's just turn them all away and feed the jihadi narrative that there is an impassable divide between East and West. 

 

That's a really good idea. Nothing stops terrorism like xenophobia and racism. 

post #692 of 2656
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God forbid we have a sensible plan for helping refugees while still remaining vigilant on security. Who has time for all of that? Let's just turn them all away and feed the jihadi narrative that there is an impassable divide between East and West. 

That's a really good idea. Nothing stops terrorism like xenophobia and racism. 

IMO there actually is an impassable divide between East and West. The only thing that works is when Muslims become Westernized enough to like Amazon Prime and craft beer so they lighten up and let their women in public without head coverings.
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I know plenty of devout Muslims who get along just fine here while wearing the hijab and not drinking beer. 

post #694 of 2656
Of course you do.
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The clash of civilizations narrative is exactly what Zawahiri and Baghdadi and Adnani and Jolani and all of those dickheads want people to believe. Why oblige them? 

post #696 of 2656
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The clash of civilizations narrative is exactly what Zawahiri and Baghdadi and Adnani and Jolani and all of those dickheads want people to believe. Why oblige them? 

Because it's true? FWIW I've been saying this for many years including here. This is not a battle of nation-states but rather a battle of paradigms. The West is basically a secular culture and believes in the division of state and religion while Islam by its very nature is a religious/mystical culture and combines both political and religious leadership.

You can argue with me all you want over this, and you (and probably Fuuma) might score a point or two, but my general characterization here is correct. The bridge gets built when folks become a little less Muslim and a little more Western.
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You're going to get in a lot of trouble trying to define what constitutes a Muslim and what marks degrees of Muslimness.

 

Are dispensationalists the only real Christians? Are Catholics more Christian than Lutherans? 

 

Is Wahabi Islam incompatible with the West? Absolutely. 

 

Are these refugees Wahabis? Nope. 

post #698 of 2656
Let me rephrase:

There's "Islam" and there's "Muslims." Islam is inherently antithetical to the West. The bridge gets built when a person identifying as "Muslim" becomes a little less Islamic and a little more Western.

It's not that the other two Abrahamic religions don't require things like stoning fornicators it's just that they moved on from that quite some time ago and put reason first. The mystical nature of Islamic leadership remains to this day and it's when an individual Muslim moves beyond that we get the ability to coexist in a broader sense. Sure, sure you've got some neighbor where she's outside mowing the grass in the hijab and you can say "hello" and basically get along within the confines of Western civilization. Now take a bikini wearing hottie for a walk through a neighborhood in the ME where all the other women are wearing hijabs and come talk to me about how you get along. You are getting along with the folks you mention because you're all existing within the West; same shit would not happen like that in some other locations.
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Islam is inherently antithetical to the West.

 

It's a common thing to take the Sunni Wahabi interpretation and call that "real" Islam. You must fight this urge. There is no such thing as "real" Islam.

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It's a common thing to take the Sunni Wahabi interpretation and call that "real" Islam. You must fight this urge. There is no such thing as "real" Islam.

Broheim, the basic tenants are contrary to Western culture. One can be "Muslim" and "Western" (which is where that bridge gets built) but the basic tenants of Islam are by and large everything the right side of history is against.

Also, you're trying to box me into your argument with the Wahabi talk. Go back to that hottie in a bikini. You're telling me TSWHTF only in a Wahabi area? Don't think so.
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^ you are right to some extent ethan, but refugees are not this monolith mass who don't believe what Wahhabis do
for starters about 13% of Syrian refugees see ISIS in somewhat positive light (value is similar to polls of other Islamic countries in the region)
post #702 of 2656
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Broheim, the basic tenants are contrary to Western culture.

 

What are these basic tenants you speak of? 

post #703 of 2656
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What are these basic tenants you speak of? 

I think they can be mainly summarized with this verse:

It is righteousness to believe in God, and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Prophets. Surah 2.177
post #704 of 2656
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Why don't we talk about Leviticus? 

You would fit right in with ISIS. Telling the world who are and aren't actual Muslims. 

Citing Leviticus, which was implicitly disavowed in the New Testament, actually makes the case that Christianity has evolved and that Islam needs to.
post #705 of 2656
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^ you are right to some extent ethan, but refugees are not this monolith mass who don't believe what Wahhabis do
for starters about 13% of Syrian refugees see ISIS in somewhat positive light (value is similar to polls of other Islamic countries in the region)

On the bright side, that's apparently fewer than the French population as a whole.

http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-citizens-support-isis-poll-finds-266795
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