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post #2521 of 2656
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

loosely used to term to define someone who is aware of male/female differences between man and women sexuality and mate selection, in most cases based or loosely based on evolutionary psychology, social sciencies like sociology etc- name is from movie matrix when you realize when the world is not what it seems but something different; for example that women don't like you for you but because you exhibit certain character traits that evolutionary majority of women find attractive in a mate etc etc

branches out into you have 3 main groups;

MGTOW - men going their own way, they feel the system is stacked against men(marriage.alimony etc) they don't want to compete for what they see as bad deal and basically strive to live without women/marriage and pursue their personal goals instead.

PUA - pick up artists, use skill and evo-psych knowledge to have lots of casual sex and find highest value(hotttest) woman they can get for a relationship if they plan to settle

MRAs - advocates of men rights, partly reactionary movement to feminism, strive to advocate for mens rights in fields where they feel they are lacking(for example rights to take care of children after divorce in many countries). They often suggest that system became too gynocentric because of feminism and men have it harder now and have very little incentive to marry, be a breadwinner etc. They often suggest old system brought more stability to family and incentivised men more to earn more and take care of kids.

i could have botched some details but thats the genral gist of it
Thanks for the explanation.
I'll bet you anything that as a group red-pillers use "hack" as a noun at a rate well above average.
post #2522 of 2656
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Originally Posted by Pennglock View Post

That is a difficult statement to defend in 2016 without some serious semantic gymnastics.

For at least 50 years cultural marxism has been understood to mean the subordination of individual political rights to class/gender/racial goals.

Just taking this within the narrow slice of speech on campus, there is a very vocal movement that sees political advocacy as a zero-sum game between oppressed and oppressor groups, why they use to justify shouting down opposing viewpoints.

If you want to label that behavior as cultural Maoism, I'll concede the point. Otherwise..

As you probably already know "cultural Marxism" designates the change from an orthodox Marxist approach, with the superstructure being determined by the base and all that, to the unorthodox theories of the Frankfurt school (Adorno, Benjamin, Marcuse etc.) applying Marxist theories to cultural analysis and even giving culture precedence over economic relations of domination. You can see the important influence of sociology and psychoanalysis at play here. Modern versions could include Alain Badiou and Slavoj Zizek but they'd probably retort that they're plain Marxists, suffise to say they tend to mix a lot of Lacan, Hegel, Plato in there so it is def not orthodox.

In contemporary usage "cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory basically stating that there is a cultural alliance of academic, political, militant etc forces to destroy western civilization from within and that it is Marxist in origin. It states that, say feminists, are all united with black militants and lgbt whatever and that they have a fucking secret Marxist agenda. As you know if you're not a complete idiot a contemporary characteristic of the left is precisely to have abandonned the full-on contestation of the capitalist system to engage in these communautarian struggles, we're talking about groups that helped remove Marxist universalism from the agenda. Anyone familiar with these movements and the theories behind them knows that they're not fucking Marxists and they don't meet in an underground lair so it is objectively true to say "cultural Marxism" doesn't exist. It is also a dog whistle that allows the user not to say "damn black people and their rights" or whatever. You have references to Nazi and their usage of "cultural Bolshevism" as a bonus point.
post #2523 of 2656
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Red-piller? Have not heard that term. Something to do with track and field?

Basically a series of interconnected online hate groups (yeah really) centering on hardcore misogyny (lots of pro-rape or all women are the same/fungible discussions) and videogame logic of dating (hence all the pseudo-science usage of evo psych) but also mixing white power (lots of antisemitism), conspiracy theories, online and real-life harassment campaigns, trolling and general reactionary politics. Basically what happens to middle-class white disaffected males when they’re sad geeks. I think I’m more saddened by the extremely low cultural level than by the ideas, which should tell you a lot.


You'll note that my two last posts are connected, they're about claiming victimhood using varied conspiracy theories as the root cause. The contemporary world being so complex and confusing, there is an urge to make it more readable by choosing a master-signifier where we can park all our fears, no matter how opposed toe assemblage. This is why the word "Jew" in Nazi germany could represent both economic domination and the dirty slums, it had to englobe everything.
Edited by Fuuma - 6/23/16 at 8:02am
post #2524 of 2656
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

In contemporary usage "cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory basically stating that there is a cultural alliance of academic, political, militant etc forces to destroy western civilization from within and that it is Marxist in origin. It states that, say feminists, are all united with black militants and lgbt whatever and that they have a fucking secret Marxist agenda. As you know if you're not a complete idiot a contemporary characteristic of the left is precisely to have abandonned the full-on contestation of the capitalist system to engage in these communautarian struggles, we're talking about groups that helped remove Marxist universalism from the agenda. Anyone familiar with these movements and the theories behind them knows that they're not fucking Marxists and they don't meet in an underground lair so it is objectively true to say "cultural Marxism" doesn't exist. It is also a dog whistle that allows the user not to say "damn black people and their rights" or whatever. You have references to Nazi and their usage of "cultural Bolshevism" as a bonus point.

depends on your circle, if you're white supremacist that could hold true

I prefer this shorter definition;
"Cultural Marxism is a conceptual term used to describe the idea that culture is a main driving force for inequality in the Western world. "

and "Cultural Marxists" who guys like me or Pennglock speak of, are people who adhere to this idea, like feminists or BLM
post #2525 of 2656
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

depends on your circle, if you're white supremacist that could hold true

I prefer this shorter definition;
"Cultural Marxism is a conceptual term used to describe the idea that culture is a main driving force for inequality in the Western world. "

and "Cultural Marxists" who guys like me or Pennglock speak of, are people who adhere to this idea, like feminists or BLM

1) That has NOTHING to do with Marxism. Superstructure, base buddy. Read Marx.
2) That's almost meaningless.
3) Feminists are very diverse, they don't necessarily share beliefs...
4) You bring an interesting point in that, like other master signifiers, "cultural Marxism" is what Lacan called a "point de capiton" (like the quilting point in a sofa) in the sense that it doesn't have a a fixed meaning but serves to anchor a series of other terms and give THEM meaning and power. In the case that preoccupies us it serves as the rallying cry of people (white, western males) who basically feel that the contemporary world is an attack on them and stands against a variety of things: atheism, feminism, racial equality, Muslims immigration etc.

My advice to you is to get out of this mediocre community and read something of intellectual value. I dunno, read Evola or whatever but read something that has some power and depth.
post #2526 of 2656
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

The answer is called socialism. Socialist politicians have a serious white man complex.

Here's a gift:
"The politically correct vision enacts a weird reversal of racist hatred of Otherness-it stages a kind of mockingly Hegelian negation/sublation of openly racist dismissal and hatred of the Other, of the perception of the Other as the Enemy which poses a threat to our way of life. In the PC vision, the Other's violence against us, deplorable and cruel as it may be, is always a reaction against the "original sin" of our (white man's imperialist, colonialist, etc.) rejection and repression of Otherness. We, white men, are responsible and guilty, the Other just reacts as a victim; we are to be condemned, the Other is to be understood; ours is a domain of morals (moral condemnation), whilst that of others involves sociology (social explanation). It is, of course, easy to discern how, beneath the mask of extreme self-humiliation and self-blame, such a stance of true ethical masochism repeats racism in its very form: although negative the proverbial "white man's burden" is still here-we, white men, are the subjects of History, whilst others ultimately react to our (mis)deeds. In other words, it is as if the true message of the PC moralistic self-blame is: we can no longer be the model of democracy and civilization for the rest of the world, we can at least be the model of Evil."
post #2527 of 2656
sad to see you are feminist Kool-aid drinker

you forgot to add child molesting, bestiality and links to neonazi groups wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Basically a series of interconnected online hate groups (yeah really)
-they are no interconnected in any meaningful way
-hate group? - citation needed for that bro
(most PUA/MRA don't hate women at all, hatred for women is not a value at core of any of these groups),
here's video of one of most prominent MRA, please point out hatred or misogyny in it or any other her video, please do so!
If the core value of MRA is hatred of women this should be easy.I've watched several of her vidoes few years back and nothing really stood out, no misogyny, mostly pokes at feminism, she made a lots of good points really as well

PUA appraoch has nothing to do with hatred of women. Guys who are good at it and make online content, basically focus on how to get laid more by developing 'game' and improving things in your life that could hold you down. Hating women is quite counter productive to that. This could be viewed as misogyny only by crazy feminists, but then again feminists are insane ideologues.

MGTOW I do have least information on them, maybe theres some misogyny at the core of their concepts i have no idea, since i never fancied the concept
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

(lots of pro-rape or all women are the same/fungible discussions)

serious need for citations from prominent members of these groups
(hint; ofc what Fuuma said is false)
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

but also mixing white power (lots of antisemitism), conspiracy theories

serious need of citations from prominent members of these groups
(none of it has anything to do with race or jews, what are you smoking bro, false again)
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

and real-life harassment campaigns

examples needed, anyway only group that organizes are MRA, few MGTOW sometimes demonstrate and it looks sad; you tell me if it's a 'real life harrasment campaign'

PUA - don't have any real life campaigns, they are fine with current system

MRA campaigns usually looks like this;


but since you made such claim, im sure you have plenty evidence of this alleged 'reallife harrasment'
post #2528 of 2656
Oh god i fucking hate these men's rights activists.
post #2529 of 2656
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

sad to see you are feminist Kool-aid drinker
wall of low culture I won't bother with

Look, you're a petulant child and I won't answer you point by point, I'm not an open bar for flat-earth debate. If you want to transcend your state as a human animal you'll need access to some culture, GO READ FUCKING BOOKS WRITTEN BY NON-MORONS!!

ps: read some reporting on gamergate or red-pillers or look at those nice places you go to on reddit of 4 and 8 chan. They indeed go from child-abuse to bestiality to pro-rape to antisemitism within the span of 5 posts. But beyond that the intellectual level is so low as to make an educated person weep.
post #2530 of 2656
All these men's groups share one thing in common which is the inability to get laid. They're just scrubs but the Internet has allowed them to join together and refer to themselves as something other than scrubs.
post #2531 of 2656
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Here's a gift:
"The politically correct vision enacts a weird reversal of racist hatred of Otherness-it stages a kind of mockingly Hegelian negation/sublation of openly racist dismissal and hatred of the Other, of the perception of the Other as the Enemy which poses a threat to our way of life. In the PC vision, the Other's violence against us, deplorable and cruel as it may be, is always a reaction against the "original sin" of our (white man's imperialist, colonialist, etc.) rejection and repression of Otherness. We, white men, are responsible and guilty, the Other just reacts as a victim; we are to be condemned, the Other is to be understood; ours is a domain of morals (moral condemnation), whilst that of others involves sociology (social explanation). It is, of course, easy to discern how, beneath the mask of extreme self-humiliation and self-blame, such a stance of true ethical masochism repeats racism in its very form: although negative the proverbial "white man's burden" is still here-we, white men, are the subjects of History, whilst others ultimately react to our (mis)deeds. In other words, it is as if the true message of the PC moralistic self-blame is: we can no longer be the model of democracy and civilization for the rest of the world, we can at least be the model of Evil."

That pretty much sounds like Social-Liberal Parties party program or the swedish government. Who is essentially running around with blinkers on refusing to acknowledge the actual issues in society as they are not PC.
post #2532 of 2656
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

In contemporary usage "cultural Marxism" is a conspiracy theory basically stating that there is a cultural alliance of academic, political, militant etc forces to destroy western civilization from within and that it is Marxist in origin. It states that, say feminists, are all united with black militants and lgbt whatever and that they have a fucking secret Marxist agenda. As you know if you're not a complete idiot a contemporary characteristic of the left is precisely to have abandonned the full-on contestation of the capitalist system to engage in these communautarian struggles, we're talking about groups that helped remove Marxist universalism from the agenda. Anyone familiar with these movements and the theories behind them knows that they're not fucking Marxists and they don't meet in an underground lair so it is objectively true to say "cultural Marxism" doesn't exist. It is also a dog whistle that allows the user not to say "damn black people and their rights" or whatever. You have references to Nazi and their usage of "cultural Bolshevism" as a bonus point.

The term might be a misnomer, but it's happening. They don't need to be interconnected or active conspirators. Some people think elites are involved in massive conspiracies. The wealthy don't need regularly scheduled conference calls in order to maintain certain advantages. Each of them acting independently in their own interests will produce the same result. Is the media/government engaged in some well thought out, carefully planned propaganda campaign? No, but when the majority of people in most major media outlets are liberal, their cultural propaganda will be a byproduct of reporting the news and will be similar to that of an actual conspiracy. It applies to government, too.
post #2533 of 2656
I am not MRA but I know about them enough to judge that you are profoundly ignorant on this subject Fuuma
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Look, you're a petulant child and I won't answer you point by point, I'm not an open bar for flat-earth debate.

all of your statements were based in your ignorance, I wouldn't either if I were you
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

ps: read some reporting on gamergate or red-pillers or look at those nice places you go to on reddit of 4 and 8 chan. They indeed go from child-abuse to bestiality to pro-rape to antisemitism within the span of 5 posts. But beyond that the intellectual level is so low as to make an educated person weep.

I don't go to 4chan or reddit, which are troll pits.

I listen regularily to few select channels like for example Sargon of Akkad, Gad Saad(who btw is prof. of Evolutionary Psychology/ and note has no connection to redpillers). and Rubin Report .

I doubt you know any of them since your opinion doesn't really hold up to reality of the situation. Anyway anyone can find out for themselves.
post #2534 of 2656
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

The term might be a misnomer, but it's happening. They don't need to be interconnected or active conspirators. Some people think elites are involved in massive conspiracies. The wealthy don't need regularly scheduled conference calls in order to maintain certain advantages. Each of them acting independently in their own interests will produce the same result. Is the media/government engaged in some well thought out, carefully planned propaganda campaign? No, but when the majority of people in most major media outlets are liberal, their cultural propaganda will be a byproduct of reporting the news and will be similar to that of an actual conspiracy. It applies to government, too.

So cultural Marxism doesn't exist but you think there is a liberal bias? Ok, I disagree or it would need to be heavily qualified and divided in different groups but I was just trying to say cultural Marxism was a conspiracy theory so I am glad we agree.
post #2535 of 2656
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

If you want to transcend your state as a human animal you'll need access to some culture

Seems it did not work for you, since you spew feminist bs. Not seeing through feminist bs/propaganda is really low-level, so I don't think you should lecture me about anything remotely connected with culture/logic/intelligence.
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