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New Town Sydney.
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This is Europe's version of suicide by cop.
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Ted Cruz: "We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized."

Sure, Ted. Would someone like to inform him we don't have Muslim-majority ghettos like Molenbeek in America?
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Is this some kind of mental illness?


Islamic State claims Brussels attacks that kill at least 30

FUCKING MORON!

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/03/22/brussels-airport-explosion-dead/21331584/
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Timing have anything to do with the recent arrest of Abseldam?
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Timing have anything to do with the recent arrest of Abseldam?

They probably pushed it up knowing the police were close.
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I'm prone to thinking it could have been a lot bigger, as he and the other nitwits arrested could have been active participants in the attack.
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I'm wondering if it could have been bigger but that the trigger was pulled as they're afraid he's talking and all the plans would have been botched?
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

Ted Cruz: "We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized."

Sure, Ted. Would someone like to inform him we don't have Muslim-majority ghettos like Molenbeek in America?

By neighborhoods I'm assuming he meant pockets within communities, groups, mosques, etc. This topic came up in several debates and Cruz's response was to let local law enforcement handle surveillance as they would in another other situation. If they think there's suspicious activity, move forward as usual and don't worry about political correctness or being accused of profiling. Seems incredibly reasonable when you consider the opposition's position, which is to pretend that all communities and cultures pose an equal threat of committing acts of terrorism.
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I'm wondering if it could have been bigger but that the trigger was pulled as they're afraid he's talking and all the plans would have been botched?

I believe there were 5 people in the apartment with him and antiterror police has arrested a bunch of people in the last couple of weeks, so if you add those 20ish people.
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

Ted Cruz: "We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized."

Sure, Ted. Would someone like to inform him we don't have Muslim-majority ghettos like Molenbeek in America?

Aside from the fractional crazies at both ends, the UK has had much less of a marginalization issue and has had tremendous success in the last 10 years working hand in hand with muslim communities. Law enforcement reached out, they had many informational sessions to explain how cooperation would be mutually beneficial, and as officials built trust they were in turn repaid by information that helped thwart quite a few plots.
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

By neighborhoods I'm assuming he meant pockets within communities, groups, mosques, etc. This topic came up in several debates and Cruz's response was to let local law enforcement handle surveillance as they would in another other situation. If they think there's suspicious activity, move forward as usual and don't worry about political correctness or being accused of profiling. Seems incredibly reasonable when you consider the opposition's position, which is to pretend that all communities and cultures pose an equal threat of committing acts of terrorism.

Can we empower police to secure both Muslim and Strawman communities?
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Can we empower police to secure both Muslim and Strawman communities?

How do you interpret Cruz's statement?
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How do you interpret Cruz's statement?

No solid idea, honestly. I only saw it quoted here and haven't read/heard it in context.
But with that caveat, your interpretation here strikes me as a reasonable one:
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Cruz's response was to let local law enforcement handle surveillance as they would in another other situation

Assuming that's correct, though, I'm not sure what what "empower" is supposed to mean in real-world terms rather than empty rhetoric. Is he proposing to give them some legal authority they don't currently have?
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Maybe it's just an inartful statement, but "secure Muslim communities before they radicalize" has a couple layers of concern to it. If a group hasn't radicalized yet, why does it need securing? What does "securing" mean, anyway, especially since we don't have Muslim "no-go" areas or ghettos in this country. Are we occupying? Sending people to re-education camps?

Also, Cruz trotted out the tired specter of needing to "secure the southern border to prevent terrorist infiltration," which remains one of the dumbest canards in both the terrorism and immigration debates.
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