or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › General › Current Events, Power and Money › Migrants, Immigrants, Refugees, and Aliens in Euro-Zone
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Migrants, Immigrants, Refugees, and Aliens in Euro-Zone - Page 131

post #1951 of 2656
Quote:
Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

My long-standing offer to carpool to the weekly organizing meeting/drum circle remains open.

As long as we can stop at the medical dispensary along the way.
post #1952 of 2656
Quote:
Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

As long as we can stop at the medical dispensary along the way.
Duh.
post #1953 of 2656
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

Also, I think American culture is so much more aggressive that they know they can't get away with bad public behavior like that. If there was some ugly protest like that with signs that Islam will take over America, bricks would be thrown through their windows, their cars would be keyed, their children would be ran out of school, no one would hire them, and our politicians would do and say things in response to it that no one in Europe would.

LOLOLLLLLLLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

This is the funniest shit I've ever read here.
post #1954 of 2656
Quote:
Originally Posted by suited View Post


Then I'm sure all of them supported sealing the southern border and enforcing visa laws in support of the government's constitutional duty to protect us from invasion, right? 15 or 20 million people illegally flooding your country is an invasion by any measure.

Apply laws already on the books or make them financially more punitive. Punish businesses who hire illegals and scam all of us on 1.tax side and then on 2. pricing side while 3. exploiting illegals.
The bad guys are not Mexicans/C. Americans, but the business people who hire them illegally to profit from all of us. Ever wondered why this is never on agenda vs. the stupid wall?
post #1955 of 2656
Quote:
Originally Posted by suited View Post

So whether we let in 50 immigrants a year or 5 million, the end result is the same. You are telling people to read a history book while implying that immigration, if not restrained and scrutinized, has no negative consequences?
I'm married to one of those "darkies," so no, that's not my conclusion. My conclusion is that assimilation cannot happen if immigration does not have constraint and selectivity applied to it. If immigration is done at a pace that does not provide proper time for immigrants to assimilate, the need to assimilate decreases each year.
Then I'm sure all of them supported sealing the southern border and enforcing visa laws in support of the government's constitutional duty to protect us from invasion, right? 15 or 20 million people illegally flooding your country is an invasion by any measure.

Very few people are supporting unrestricted immigration, so I think we can put that one on the shelf. However, the default Republican policy right now is pretty much the one espoused by Trump: "Shut that shit down, build a big wall, deport all the illegals who are already here. And for sure no Mooslims." There's almost no discussion of how to proceed with legal immigration, which immigrants are the "good ones," which priorities we're going to look for when deciding which immigrants to allow in.

It's xenophobia first, law and order second, and practical discussion of functional immigration system almost entirely absent.
post #1956 of 2656
There's been plenty of discussion about legal immigration, if you're paying attention. Nearly all of the candidates are for it, including Trump. Some support temporary restrictions or increased scrutiny for people coming from countries (or religions) with terrorism problems. There's been discussion of H1B visas, discussions about changing the way of prioritizing legal immigration from family to skills (Remember Rubio's speeches about this). This is just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's been more.

Of course they all say secure the border first because it's something primary voters want. That way they can pivot toward promises of legalization to get the votes of the tens of millions of descendants of illegal immigrants come November.
post #1957 of 2656
I think what some folks are missing is that immigration is one of those issues that's not left/right. Plenty of diehard Dems are worried about them furriners taking "our" jobs. UAW type folks are a prime example of skewing highly Dem but also skewing for tight borders and "ship 'em all back" type rhetoric.
post #1958 of 2656
Quote:
Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I think what some folks are missing is that immigration is one of those issues that's not left/right. Plenty of diehard Dems are worried about them furriners taking "our" jobs. UAW type folks are a prime example of skewing highly Dem but also skewing for tight borders and "ship 'em all back" type rhetoric.


There are a huge number of very conservative types who belong to labor unions . A lot of them only vote Dem because the Republicans have taken such an ANTI - union position . A lot of side issues get thrown under the bus when the people you may really support on the majority seem so hell bent on the destruction of the things that feed your family . The Teamsters threw their hat in the ring with Reagan so its not unheard of. Point being the Republicans could probably garner a deal of rank and file support if they could tone down the hate

post #1959 of 2656
Quote:
Originally Posted by englade321 View Post


There are a huge number of very conservative types who belong to labor unions . A lot of them only vote Dem because the Republicans have taken such an ANTI - union position . A lot of side issues get thrown under the bus when the people you may really support on the majority seem so hell bent on the destruction of the things that feed your family . The Teamsters threw their hat in the ring with Reagan so its not unheard of. Point being the Republicans could probably garner a deal of rank and file support if they could tone down the hate

So no Scott Walker as the #2 on the ticket?
post #1960 of 2656
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


You see multi-generation Islamic kids in Europe that really don't share European values, but is that a ghettoization effect or something intrinsic to the culture? The Somali community in the US seems to have some trouble, largest number of ISIS supporters and such.

Ghettoization we have problems with 3rd gen. children who show up first day of school knowing little to no danish. Most middle eastern minorities huddle together with their "own" and speak their language and keep the cultures of the old country going completely refusing to accept they are not in the old country any longer. There's a strong sub culture of us and them stemming from the minorities, while they complain that they are not being viewed as danes.
post #1961 of 2656
Quote:
Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

Ghettoization we have problems with 3rd gen. children who show up first day of school knowing little to no danish.
We would never stand for that here. My kid doesn't get dinner unless she asks in Danish.
post #1962 of 2656
Ha ha ha /ironic laugh.
post #1963 of 2656
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

It's xenophobiarationalism first, law and order second, and practical discussion of functional immigration system almost entirely absent.
post #1964 of 2656
Quote:
Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

Ghettoization we have problems with 3rd gen. children who show up first day of school knowing little to no danish. Most middle eastern minorities huddle together with their "own" and speak their language and keep the cultures of the old country going completely refusing to accept they are not in the old country any longer. There's a strong sub culture of us and them stemming from the minorities, while they complain that they are not being viewed as danes.

Will they be viewed as Danes anyway? I think there are two sides to this story. I am not sure about Danish society , may be it is very embracing towards other cultures and skin colors, but in general Europe is very xenophobic. No matter how large your Danish vocabulary is the locals will not perceive you as one of their own. So many immigrants and not only Middle Eastern, just say : fuck it , why even try.
Europe is still living in little tribal societies where people are homogenous and all look alike ,separated from other tribes by language, national bureaucracy and superiority complexes.
post #1965 of 2656
Quote:
Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

So many immigrants and not only Middle Eastern, just say : fuck it , why even try.

 

If they don't want to be part of their host country, they should go back home. Anything in the middle is like a festering wound.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Current Events, Power and Money
Styleforum › Forums › General › Current Events, Power and Money › Migrants, Immigrants, Refugees, and Aliens in Euro-Zone