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post #1261 of 2656
I don't like the attempts to make it and USofE, not what we signed up for. Year by year EU takes away power from democratic governments.

this refugee crisis really highlighted what;s happening and in that regard that's a good thing
post #1262 of 2656
We just voted no to giving them more power.
post #1263 of 2656
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/refugees/419976/

Ignore the weak lead. The meat is:
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Donald Trump’s noisy complaints that immigration is out of control are literally true. Nobody is making conscious decisions about who is wanted and who is not, about how much immigration to accept and what kind to prioritize—not even for the portion of U.S. migration conducted according to law, much less for the larger portion that is not.

His point is that some immigrants and their descendants do well and others don't, with the suggestion being that maybe (just maybe) we ought to favor immigrants who will become productive citizens:
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(I)mmigrants to the United States are dividing into two streams. One arrives educated and assimilates “up”; the other, larger stream, arrives poorly educated and unskilled and assimilates “down.” It almost ceases to make sense to speak and think of immigration as one product of one policy. Without ever having considered the matter formally or seriously, the U.S. has arrived at two different policies to serve two different sets of interests—and to achieve two radically different results, one very beneficial to U.S. society; the other, fraught with huge present and future social difficulties.
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Americans talk a lot about the social difficulties caused by large-scale, low-skill immigration, but usually in a very elliptical way. Giant foundations—Pew, Ford—spend lavishly to study the problems of the new low-skill immigrant communities. Public policy desperately seeks to respond to the challenges presented by large-scale low-skill immigration. But the fundamental question—“should we be doing this at all?”—goes unvoiced by anyone in a position of responsibility. Even as the evidence accumulates that the policy was a terrible mistake from the point of view of the pre-existing American population, elites insist that the policy is unquestionable ... more than unquestionable, that the only possible revision of the policy is to accelerate future flows of low-skill immigration even faster, whether as migrants or as refugees or in some other way.
post #1264 of 2656

^ Hard to argue with that. Common sense is common sense.

post #1265 of 2656
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post


But the fundamental question—“should we be doing this at all?”—goes unvoiced by anyone in a position of responsibility.

The two prevailing schools of thought ignore this question for different reasons. The first believes that mass immigration without scrutiny is beneficial. People like Chrystia Freeland probably believe this and support it without any ill intent. The second revolves around a sort of self loathing that permeates into a different kind of far left dogma. Anyone or any culture in a position of success, socially or financially, needs to be punished. They understand that cultural dilution brought on by importing backwards beliefs is not beneficial to western societies but support it anyway to deliver their twisted definition of justice.
post #1266 of 2656
USA actually does fenom. job at assimilating newcomers. Lack of upward mobility is what makes this situation dangerous. The largest threat to US internally r current economic disparity between rich and poor and complete merging of economic and political oligarchy. Scary part is that there is no monetary incentive for this oligarchy to self reform or dismantle itself, say by enacting election reform...There will be blood.
post #1267 of 2656

I agree with Medwed and now I feel dirty. 

post #1268 of 2656
Medwed is full of shit. There's plenty of upward mobility, certainly by second gen immigrants.

EDIT - oh wow, I'm 50 years old and immigrate to the US and don't have a high paying job! Oh my!
post #1269 of 2656
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Medwed is full of shit. There's plenty of upward mobility, certainly by second gen immigrants.

EDIT - oh wow, I'm 50 years old and immigrate to the US and don't have a high paying job! Oh my!


Not really. Northern European countries are much better.

 

post #1270 of 2656
No immigrants have daughters, I guess.

EDIT - First fucking google search.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/02/07/second-generation-americans/
post #1271 of 2656

Ha, I didn't even notice that. Still it's an established fact that upward mobility in this country is not that great. 

post #1272 of 2656
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

Ha, I didn't even notice that. Still it's an established fact that upward mobility in this country is not that great. 

Compared to what?
post #1273 of 2656

Our peers. Slighting beating Italy at upward mobility is nothing to be proud of. 

post #1274 of 2656
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

Our peers. Slighting beating Italy at upward mobility is nothing to be proud of. 


Lol, America has no peers. That graph ethan posted is garbage.
post #1275 of 2656
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

Not really. Northern European countries are much better.



The northern european societies have been designed to have the least amount of inequality possible and inequality in terms of rich and poor has become a negative thing, even though it isn't necessarily.

Everyone besides 1%'s have the same opportunities in life, the only reason for not to succeed is you being a fuck up or stupid.

Most of the really wellknown highly succesful businessmen come from low income families and are basically the american dream.

This guy is pretty wellknown for being an immigrant, who worked his way up from being a dishwasher to owning multiple hotels.

http://www.enangalaly.com/index.html
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