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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

"Us Danes?" You are perpetuating the image of Daneness as white and European. That's offensive. It's not your country anymore. Be inclusive and don't say anything about "the Danes" unless it includes everyone else.

You are thinking of Sweden.
post #1083 of 2656
No, I'm thinking of Denmark in 20 years. Maybe less at the rate things are going.
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We have a right wing government, who doesn't give a fuck and continues to make the country less desirable for asylum seekers, so fingers crossed, although I have little hope. The idiots we already have are the real issue.



I did a small calculation the other day. Each person costs society around 40-50k a year (housing, food, 3 year integration program, transport etc), which is at least 3 years before they are able to enter the workforce = $150k roughly.

Statistics show that most don't know the alphabet and have little to no schooling, so they are going to get a low paying job, if they get one. So thats 40-50 in income a year, with an effective income tax of 40%. so they are going to be paying $20k tops in tax (minus whatever benefits they get housing, taxi for their kids to get to school, free childcare etc.). It will on average take them 7 1/2 years for them to pay for themselves. This doesn't count the expenditure on the healthcare sector.

If we say most are mid 30s that means, before they hit 0 and start to pay their way, they are mid 40's, which leaves 20 years, before forced retirement for them to build up a pension and pay in taxes what they are going to get in pension and added age expenses (not likely).

This is only the good ones, with a 50% immigrant unemployment as it is, most aren't going to pay their own way ever and will end up on average costing society 50-100k a year per person.
Edited by Find Finn - 11/30/15 at 11:20pm
post #1085 of 2656
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

We have a right wing government, who doesn't give a fuck and continues to make the country less desirable for asylum seekers, so fingers crossed, although I have little hope. The idiots we already have are the real issue.



I did a small calculation the other day. Each person costs society around 40-50k a year (housing, food, 3 year integration program, transport etc), which is at least 3 years before they are able to enter the workforce = $150k roughly.

Statistics show that most don't know the alphabet and have little to no schooling, so they are going to get a low paying job, if they get one. So thats 40-50 in income a year, with an effective income tax of 40%. so they are going to be paying $20k tops in tax (minus whatever benefits they get housing, taxi for their kids to get to school, free childcare etc.). It will on average take them 7 1/2 years for them to pay for themselves. This doesn't count the expenditure on the healthcare sector.

If we say most are mid 30s that means, before they hit 0 and start to pay their way, they are mid 40's, which leaves 20 years, before forced retirement for them to build up a pension and pay in taxes what they are going to get in pension and added age expenses (not likely).

This is only the good ones, with a 50% immigrant unemployment as it is, most aren't going to pay their own way ever and will end up on average costing society 50-100k a year per person.

 

It's even worse than that, because when they do take a job, the job could have gone to a Dane who didn't consume $150K in public funds first. They will always be a drain on public resources compared to the locals.

 

Then there is the argument that $150K could help many more people in a lower cost country, instead of one person in Denmark, which is why an arrangement with Turkey would be better all round - helping more people for less money, and without a long journey being required, and with similar weather, culture, food, etc.

 

It just makes zero sense to me to try and "solve" this via immigration. And these are just the economic considerations.

post #1086 of 2656
Unskilled laborers aren't taking jobs from danes necessarily, they take jobs from Polish, Lithuanians, Ukrainian etc. workers, who travel around Europe to take low paying jobs, that wouldn't get filled otherwise.

Europe has a huge travling workforce, most metro, bridges etc. are build by traveling specialist teams from Italy, Poland, Portugal etc., whom do their job and then go on to the next job.

Mass migration of unskilled labour is never really a solution to anything, as especially northern Europe is moving away from unskilled manufacturing and into highly skilled manufacturing, as we can't compete with Asia, Africa, EE on making "cheap stuff".

We need to remember that we have "only" received 15k this year (so far), Sweden has received 5-6x that, which is an astounding amount of money, if we say that all northern european countries are spending about the same a person, we are talking about in the realm of 150 billion dollars, which could have been used differently.

150 billion is about the same as the western world has put into the afghan economy since the war, which hasn't done shit, so......

http://www.businessinsider.com/100-billion-in-aid-squandered-in-afghanistan-2013-3?IR=T
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

But our self-proclaimed Middle East expert says they're pretty much culturally the same. Odd dozingoff.gif
Good point. Christians would never throw rocks at anyone.
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Originally Posted by ken View Post

Meanwhile, during a friendly Apples to Apples game on Thanksgiving...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/194547
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Yea it happens too often, it's especially super lame when Germans do it writing "Polish death camps" lmao Poles were in them, but it doesn't make them polish smh.
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

But our self-proclaimed Middle East expert says they're pretty much culturally the same. Odd dozingoff.gif
Good point. Christians would never throw rocks at anyone.

post #1091 of 2656
no wonder it's all part of the same trilogy

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That scene made me laugh out loud I hadn't watched it in years . Religious dogma is so fucking ridiculous

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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

no wonder it's all part of the same trilogy

The prequels sucked, though.
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Originally Posted by moltoelegante View Post

More precious snowflakes in France expressing their respect and gratitude towards Europe:
(warning, some 'salty' language)


 

Why are they allowed to be in the middle of the road and not be arrested? This kind of lawlessness will lead to much worse.

Here's a video of them attacking police in Macedonia:
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

Why are they allowed to be in the middle of the road and not be arrested? This kind of lawlessness will lead to much worse.

Amount of migrants > amount of police, no space in jails, if they arrest them they will probably seek asylum in France, which they don't want.

We had to shut down two mayor motorways down earlier in the year, because they wanted to walk there, so the police had to escort them all in all they spend 44k man hours in a week dealing with them. (it's aprox. 22 police officers entire work year).
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