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I had some icewine and I like it

post #1 of 11
12/6/07 at 9:53pm
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I don't like all this dry wine business. I like it a bit sweet, and been sampling a good variety of riesling recently.

I tried some Canadian icewine yesterday and it was good. Gonna get me a whole bottle, but very expensive.
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post #2 of 11
12/6/07 at 10:12pm
German Auslese. The Germans excel at sweet white, but it's become unfashionable around the world, so you can pick up some bargains. My local merchant has some halves of 1976 which are stonking.
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post #3 of 11
12/6/07 at 10:15pm
u have a very cute avatar, lee
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post #4 of 11
12/6/07 at 10:32pm
Try a late harvest also if you like ice wine.
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post #5 of 11
12/6/07 at 10:36pm
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late harvest and icewine, differences are just technicality, yes?

the former have not reached the desired sugar level?
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post #6 of 11
12/6/07 at 10:41pm
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Originally Posted by lee_44106 View Post
late harvest and icewine, differences are just technicality, yes?

the former have not reached the desired sugar level?

Nah, totally different. Ice wines have the grapes frozen when ya pick 'em and that draws the water out making the wine sweet. Late harvest is just that the grapes are literally rotting with the "noble fungus", which once again draws the water out and makes the wine sweet.

The reason they cost so much is that the grape suffer great attrition from staying on the vine, i.e. birds, droppage, etc.
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post #7 of 11
12/6/07 at 10:46pm
If you like Icewine, you may also enjoy:

Noble One (Australia): http://debortoli.com.au/uploads/medi...obleone_01.pdf

or

Tokaj (Hungary): http://www.wines.com/tokaj/home.html

or

Sauternes (France): http://www.terroir-france.com/region..._sauternes.htm

or

Brown Brothers Liqueur Muscat (Australia): http://www.brownbrothers.com.au/ourw...?vintageid=788

or

Port (Portugal): http://www.wineloverspage.com/port/jbl030197.shtml

There, that ought to keep you drunk, er, busy for a while ...
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post #8 of 11
12/7/07 at 1:00pm
i live in southern ontario and our 'lake erie north shore' wine region produces a lot of quality ice wines

www.vqaontario.com and click on 'lake erie north shore' (http://www.vqaontario.com/theWinerie...esLakeErie.htm)
for the wineries in the area and they all have links with listings of their wines, including ice wines (the niagara region is the other big wine region in ontario)

ice wine isn't necessarily produced every year due to weather conditions and some years, the grapes just rot on the vine or freeze outright and no production results; conditions have to be perfect and even then, the production is very small and thus the high cost
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post #9 of 11
12/7/07 at 6:09pm
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i live in southern ontario and our 'lake erie north shore' wine region produces a lot of quality ice wines

www.vqaontario.com and click on 'lake erie north shore' (http://www.vqaontario.com/theWinerie...esLakeErie.htm)
for the wineries in the area and they all have links with listings of their wines, including ice wines (the niagara region is the other big wine region in ontario)

ice wine isn't necessarily produced every year due to weather conditions and some years, the grapes just rot on the vine or freeze outright and no production results; conditions have to be perfect and even then, the production is very small and thus the high cost

Yeah, Colio Estates, Pelee Island, and a few others in southern ontario produce both a nice vidal and a nice cab franc ice wine. Don't drink anything else from southern ontario though!! All the reds are tannin cannons and have vegetal overtones (like green bell peppers). Basically, they suck. You can get a drinkable (barely) chard out of them sometimes. There's a small winery that uses vidal for a rose and a white too, Erie Shore Winery.

I am not kidding though, 99.9% of Ontario wines simply suck dirt.
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post #10 of 11
12/7/07 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
Yeah, Colio Estates, Pelee Island, and a few others in southern ontario produce both a nice vidal and a nice cab franc ice wine. Don't drink anything else from southern ontario though!! All the reds are tannin cannons and have vegetal overtones (like green bell peppers). Basically, they suck. You can get a drinkable (barely) chard out of them sometimes. There's a small winery that uses vidal for a rose and a white too, Erie Shore Winery.

I am not kidding though, 99.9% of Ontario wines simply suck dirt.

That is a gross oversimplification, especially if you a referring to the VQA wines, and not just the volume producers.

http://www.vqaontario.com/

Vineland Estates: http://www.vineland.com/

Tawse: http://www.tawsewinery.ca/

Peninsula Ridge Estates: http://www.peninsularidge.com/intro.htm

Chateau des Charmes: http://www.chateaudescharmes.com/

Inniskillin: http://www.inniskillin.com/en/default.asp?location=home

Granted, the most suitable varietal in the region is Reisling and other cool climate types. The whites are generally better than the reds, too, but there are the exceptions like the recently released Chateau des Charmes St. David's Bench 2002 Cab-Sauv
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post #11 of 11
12/7/07 at 10:43pm
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That is a gross oversimplification, especially if you a referring to the VQA wines, and not just the volume producers.
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Granted, the most suitable varietal in the region is Reisling and other cool climate types. The whites are generally better than the reds, too, but there are the exceptions like the recently released Chateau des Charmes St. David's Bench 2002 Cab-Sauv

eg1,

After I posted that, I knew someone from Ontario was going to say something like this. Sorry, I stand by my statement. Outside of ice wines and late harvest, there is hardly anything drinkable. I know it hurts to hear this, but from my perspective, and that of anyone with a developed palette that I know, Ontario wines, most notably the reds, suck dirt. Tannin cannons, heavy vegetal overtones. There is the occasional chard or Riesling that is drinkable, but there is nothing of quality. As I said earlier, Erie Shore has a passable white vidal and rose...I tasted a drinkable but forgettable chard from CREW (Colchester Ridge Estate Winery).

Check your PM, I want to say more but not in open forum.
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