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post #766 of 2079

Custom clicking is not only going to cost more but take way more time. I'm guessing FG doesn't operate with a huge amount of leather stock, and keeping two standards of clicking would just be super confusing and turn into two tiers of leather quality rather than "guaranteed good leather" and "roll the dice with veins". Since the easiest way to have that pricing model is to just separate out the leather from the start. You'll end up with "pay for good leather" and "pay less for worse leather". In that case, why not just up the standard clicking and raise prices? Because that's not what FG wants to do. They competitive edge is the MTM option at such a low cost and their patterns. 

 

Yeah the veins look awful and that should be something that's talked about as a quality issue, but it's not something that really unexpected IMO. $800 for a MTM, MTO full leather jacket, something has to give. Personally, I think the veininess is one of the best ways to do it. It's not consistent like shipping out every jacket with shit hardware or something, not all are duds, and some less so than others. Plus, buying calf, goat, or suede makes it a non-issue. 

post #767 of 2079
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Originally Posted by REDSTAR View Post

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I mean the thickness throughout the sleeves on my varsity is fairly uniform, but I understand that variations with each hide are inevitable.

What I want to know is:
- Why the wool changed from thick to thin
- When this change was implemented
- If it's possible to get the thicker/fuzzier wool body

Here's a picture comparison...




Left is the V1, right is the TOJ0.  The body is pretty much half as thick, and I can say that the leather is thinner by a noticeable margin as well.  

I held off on selling my TOJ0 before receiving my V1 for this very reason; I wanted to compare and contrast.  By comparison, I'm not too thrilled about the thinner materials.  The quality is great, the communication has been great, and the whole order process has been very easy.  I've been pleased with every other aspect of FG aside from this.

Not trying to bitch and moan or throw a hissy fit, but it's only fair for those that have considered ordering to know what they're buying, because I sure as hell had no idea that the jacket was going to be like this when I got it.  

Sorry you're unhappy with one aspect of the jacket.

If you find a difference in wool between your varsity and your TOJ varsity, that's because the TOJ varsity you have is an older version and not the last iteration.

The wool on our varsity has had zero change between the last TOJ iteration.

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Originally Posted by pl0nky View Post

I think I remember Charly saying there will be a more substantial winter varsity coming out soon? Just throwing it out there. 

Correct! We'll have a beefed up version coming up soon.
Edited by mrchariybrown - 11/4/15 at 4:14am
post #768 of 2079
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Originally Posted by gong View Post

could you provide some input Dan on why there is apparently such a divide in leather thickness among different buyers?


hi everyone,
just wanted to clarify what's going on behind the scenes - 

we are in fact dealing with the same vendors as we have in the past. we've gone through several iterations of each jacket in previous runs depending on the thickness and quality of leather available to us during different seasons. by no means have we compromised the quality - we have only taken each opportunity to change and upgrade our materials as necessary.

as far as our current clientele is concerned, all current Falcon Garments jackets will follow the same standards during sourcing and production. 

 

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post #769 of 2079
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Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post

Sorry you're unhappy with one aspect of the jacket.

If you find a difference in wool between your varsity and your TOJ varsity, that's because the TOJ varsity you have is an older version and not the last iteration.

The wool on our varsity has had zero change between the last TOJ iteration.
Correct! We'll have a beefed up version coming up soon.
I ordered my TOJ0 in April of 2013 and got it in September. Didn't realize things changed during production though.

It's reassuring that you'll be offering a heavier weight version soon though. Thanks for the info.
post #770 of 2079
will the new version of the jacket come with striped ribbing detail?
post #771 of 2079
So, I have not had time to do proper pics (of fit or leather quality), but as a very quick sample of the grain I like:



I´ll post better pictures later.
post #772 of 2079
veinzzzzz

post #773 of 2079
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Originally Posted by fungz0r View Post

veinzzzzz

That is just the natural grain of unglazed lambskin, and it looks pretty well matched.

post #774 of 2079
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Plus, buying calf, goat, or suede makes it a non-issue. 

Honestly, I don't even bother looking at lamb leather .  Lamb is super soft, and pliable, and it can shred pretty easily.  With something like steer or heavy horse, I've hardly ever seen any jackets go in for any repairs from tears in the leather itself.  Goat is very pliable, and it can be prone to the same "bagging": that pliable leathers are prone to - it's part of the look, but not everyone likes it - but it is quite durable, and also has a cool grain.  Calf is reasonably durable and most of it is top grain and corrected to some degree, so you end up with a more uniform surface.  suede, especially top grain suede, can be quite durable, and the finish of obviously even.  

post #775 of 2079

Calf 3 weeks
post #776 of 2079
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Calf 3 weeks

Looks lovely. Can't wait to get mine!

post #777 of 2079

 

 

Paid September 30 and the jacket arrived on Oct 27. MTM A-2 bomber with full placket and shoulder gussets in black goat. My only gripe is the small hand warmer pockets. I wish they were closer to the center and a bit bigger.

post #778 of 2079
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
 

That is just the natural grain of unglazed lambskin, and it looks pretty well matched.

 

On this topic, I think no one has complained yet about "veins" in coloured lamb. My dark wine jacket has no trace of them. Why is that? Coincidence? Coloured lambskin is glazed? Corrected grain?

 

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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
 

Honestly, I don't even bother looking at lamb leather .  Lamb is super soft, and pliable, and it can shred pretty easily.  With something like steer or heavy horse, I've hardly ever seen any jackets go in for any repairs from tears in the leather itself.  Goat is very pliable, and it can be prone to the same "bagging": that pliable leathers are prone to - it's part of the look, but not everyone likes it - but it is quite durable, and also has a cool grain.  Calf is reasonably durable and most of it is top grain and corrected to some degree, so you end up with a more uniform surface.  suede, especially top grain suede, can be quite durable, and the finish of obviously even.  

 

I used to think like that. No lamb leather, only super thick stuff (same for denim and things like that). I've changed my mind. I still have heavier stuff for the fun of breaking it in, but when I want to look good it's not the stuff I reach for.

post #779 of 2079

@LA Guy Just curious: do you wear your jackets really hard, or something? I'm relatively new to leather jackets (~5 years) so you may have been around them a lot longer, but it's just that I can't imagine "shredding" any of mine due to normal wear. That said, they (being all lamb) are likely more delicate than calf/horse/goat, but as someone else said--I don't think they can be beat for elegance.

post #780 of 2079
Thread Starter 
Short of falling off while riding or getting stabbed, lambskin will not shred with normal wear.

Even falling off a motorcycle, it'd have to be at pretty decent speed and rough terrain for this lamb to "shred"
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