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post #1771 of 2339

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post #1772 of 2339

I finally received my MTM MA-1 jacket. Initially I ordered 4/2 and received the jacket on 4/23. But Falcon Garments were not able to deliver the right jacket with the correct specifications. 

 

I ordered a jacket without chest placket and with shoulder gussets. They sent me one in the opposite configuration. (The jacket had chest placket and no shoulder gussets)

 

My body measurements: 

Height: 5'11"
Weight: 160lbs

Shoulder: 17.5"

Chest: 41.5"
Waist: 37"
Front Length: 20.5"
Sleeve Length: 25"
Biceps: 13"

 

What I ordered:

MA-1 

Modified measurments from stock 50:
Ribbed
No chest zipper placket
No outside chest pocket
No left arm pockets
Shoulders (front): 18.0"
Chest (pit to pit): 22.4"
Waist: 21.0"
Body Length (front): 22"
Body Length (back): 24.5" 
Sleeve Length (from shoulder): 26"
Sleeve Width (pit): 7"
Sleeve Width (elbow): 6"
Sleeve Width (cuff): 4.5"

 

Hide: Lambskin
Lambskin Color: Black
Size: Made to Measure (MTM)
Shoulder Gussets: Yes (Standard)
Gas Mask Pocket (on chest): No

 

 

So I contacted Charly and he asked me to ship it back and offered to re-do the jacket without hesitation. So I received the second jacket on 5/11 with the correct specifications. The first thing I noticed was this:

 

 

 

 

The jacket was configured to be very minimalist and this strange dented pattern was the first thing I noticed on the jacket as soon as I put it on. The pattern was on the right shoulder area and it was easy to see. This turned out to be veins in the lamb leather that FG use. I contacted Charly and he assured me that vein marks in leather are normal. Caveat Emptor I guess. It is disappointing to me that this whole jacket order process was a bit of a gamble for me. The first time it was the misconfiguration, and then it was the issue with the leather quality. I don't know if veins in leather means worse quality leather or not, but what I don't understand is how you can handmake something and not notice flaw marks in the leather and place them somewhere hidden like under the sleeves or lower back. I guess they punch out the patterns as fast as they can and sew them up.

 

Charly has been amazing throughout the whole process, but the jacket makers in Korea need to improve their process because the first time they made the jacket, the jacket was done with the wrong configurations, and the second time they remade the jacket, I began to question their craftmanship.

 

I understand that MTM at an affordable price is difficult for FG, but I was not impressed with the quality of their product. I won't be purchasing from FG next time.


Edited by sinefine - 5/13/16 at 5:48am
post #1773 of 2339
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post

SAMPLE SALE

Really quick, small flash sample sale.

Measurements are approximates.

Do NOT PM me. If you're interested, email us at sales@falcongarmentsco.com.




1. MA1 in black lambskin - $500 shipped US

No shoulder gussets.

Fits like a 48.
  • Shoulder - 17.75"
  • Chest - 21"
  • Front length - 22.75"
  • Sleeve length - 26"





2. DR2 in black lambskin - $500 shipped US

Fits like a short 52.
  • Shoulder - 19"
  • Chest - 23"
  • Front length - 21"
  • Sleeve length - 24"





3. SOLD

DR3 in black lambskin - $550 shipped US

Fits like slightly cropped 44.

  • Shoulder - 16.25"
  • Chest - 18.9"
  • Front length -18.5"
  • Sleeve length - 23"



post #1774 of 2339
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sinefine View Post

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I finally received my MTM MA-1 jacket. Initially I ordered 4/2 and received the jacket on 4/23. But Falcon Garments were not able to deliver the right jacket with the correct specifications. 

I ordered a jacket without chest placket and with shoulder gussets. They sent me one in the opposite configuration. (The jacket had chest placket and no shoulder gussets)

My body measurements: 
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 160lbs
Shoulder: 17.5"
Chest: 41.5"
Waist: 37"
Front Length: 20.5"
Sleeve Length: 25"
Biceps: 13"

What I ordered:
MA-1 
Modified measurments from stock 50:
Ribbed
No chest zipper placket
No outside chest pocket
No left arm pockets
Shoulders (front): 18.0"
Chest (pit to pit): 22.4"
Waist: 21.0"
Body Length (front): 22"
Body Length (back): 24.5" 
Sleeve Length (from shoulder): 26"
Sleeve Width (pit): 7"
Sleeve Width (elbow): 6"
Sleeve Width (cuff): 4.5"

Hide: Lambskin

Lambskin Color: Black

Size: Made to Measure (MTM)

Shoulder Gussets: Yes (Standard)

Gas Mask Pocket (on chest): No


So I contacted Charly and he asked me to ship it back and offered to re-do the jacket without hesitation. So I received the second jacket on 5/11 with the correct specifications. The first thing I noticed was this:

 



The jacket was configured to be very minimalist and this strange dented pattern was the first thing I noticed on the jacket as soon as I put it on. The pattern was on the right shoulder area and it was easy to see. This turned out to be veins in the lamb leather that FG use. I contacted Charly and he assured me that vein marks in leather are normal. Caveat Emptor I guess. It is disappointing to me that this whole jacket order process was a bit of a gamble for me. The first time it was the misconfiguration, and then it was the issue with the leather quality. I don't know if veins in leather means worse quality leather or not, but what I don't understand is how you can handmake something and not notice flaw marks in the leather and place them somewhere hidden like under the sleeves or lower back. I guess they punch out the patterns as fast as they can and sew them up.

Charly has been amazing throughout the whole process, but the jacket makers in Korea need to improve their process because the first time they made the jacket, the jacket was done with the wrong configurations, and the second time they remade the jacket, I began to question their craftmanship.

I understand that MTM at an affordable price is difficult for FG, but I was not impressed with the quality of their product. I won't be purchasing from FG next time.


Daniel purchases "Grade A" hides from the vendors we use. Even at that level, there's going to be some extremely minor veins that happen according to the vendors. As you can see in those pictures, it's extremely minor and nothing comparable to what was used in the past with TOJ. The only way to circumvent any veins at all from happening is to buy more hides, which increases the price for the jackets. I think what we do is a good compromise.

Sorry you didn't have the best experience with us.
post #1775 of 2339
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Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post


Daniel purchases "Grade A" hides from the vendors we use. Even at that level, there's going to be some extremely minor veins that happen according to the vendors. As you can see in those pictures, it's extremely minor and nothing comparable to what was used in the past with TOJ. The only way to circumvent any veins at all from happening is to buy more hides, which increases the price for the jackets. I think what we do is a good compromise.

Sorry you didn't have the best experience with us.

 

Charly, 

 

I always appreciated your quick responses to my emails and your wonderful customer service. You don't have to buy more hides. The jacket makers could pay more attention to leather flaws in the future for future customers. They can just use that portion of the hide for the inner sleeves and the problem will go away. I think it has to do with their carelessness rather than issues with your leather vendor.

post #1776 of 2339
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sinefine View Post

Charly, 

I always appreciated your quick responses to my emails and your wonderful customer service. You don't have to buy more hides. The jacket makers could pay more attention to leather flaws in the future for future customers. They can just use that portion of the hide for the inner sleeves and the problem will go away. I think it has to do with their carelessness rather than issues with your leather vendor.

The jacket makers are already informed to place veins (if any) in inconspicuous places off at all possible.

In this particular situation, more hides would have needed to be bought.
post #1777 of 2339
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post


The jacket makers are already informed to place veins (if any) in inconspicuous places off at all possible.

In this particular situation, more hides would have needed to be bought.

 

I see. Then I think they should have bought more hides.

post #1778 of 2339
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Originally Posted by sinefine View Post


The jacket was configured to be very minimalist and this strange dented pattern was the first thing I noticed on the jacket as soon as I put it on. The pattern was on the right shoulder area and it was easy to see. This turned out to be veins in the lamb leather that FG use. I contacted Charly and he assured me that vein marks in leather are normal. Caveat Emptor I guess. It is disappointing to me that this whole jacket order process was a bit of a gamble for me. The first time it was the misconfiguration, and then it was the issue with the leather quality. I don't know if veins in leather means worse quality leather or not, but what I don't understand is how you can handmake something and not notice flaw marks in the leather and place them somewhere hidden like under the sleeves or lower back. I guess they punch out the patterns as fast as they can and sew them up.

Charly has been amazing throughout the whole process, but the jacket makers in Korea need to improve their process because the first time they made the jacket, the jacket was done with the wrong configurations, and the second time they remade the jacket, I began to question their craftmanship.

I understand that MTM at an affordable price is difficult for FG, but I was not impressed with the quality of their product. I won't be purchasing from FG next time.

My brothers and I possess a variety of TOJ and Falcon jackets (too many) and based on my experience the "veiny" lamb leather is of much higher quality than the smoother leather. The veiny characteristics of lambskin leather typically means there is more of the leather's natural character, corrected grain leather for example is extremely smooth with very few (if any) surface characteristics, but it is an inferior quality of leather. Speaking more specifically about the leather from TOJ/FG, the two jackets we have (navy and black lamb) both have some veiny areas on the jackets and they are both extremely soft, are surprisingly resistant to scuffing, and relatively thick for lambskin. They are, simply put, the two finest lambskin leather jackets I have ever handled. Conversely, we have two brown lambskin jackets and they are not as nice as the navy and black. They are not as plush and soft, the surface scuffs and the leather underneath is lighter colored making the scuffs more noticeable. The top color also flakes in some areas. Overall, the hand isn't bad by any means, but it isn't on the same level.

Aesthetically, I personally kind of like a veiny character. It gives the jacket some uniqueness and doesn't really detract from the overall look. Clearly you do not share this opinion, but the black lambskin leather itself is not of low quality I assure you. The picture you show isn't really that veiny and softer leather always creases over time. If you are a familiar with high quality leather footwear. Top tier makers like G&G and Vass use very soft calf leather and it creases much more easily than the calf used by say Allen Edmonds. I understand that first jacket purchase: dropping the ~$900 dollars and agonizing over measurements, but please consider the possibility that you may be nitpicking here. Expecting perfect when no venture ever results in real perfection. If the jacket fits, I think you probably have a winner. If you don't believe me, wear the jacket it out a couple times...I guarantee you no one will notice the veins/creases, but when they touch that lambskin. they'll notice them feels.
post #1779 of 2339

I think veins add character, and thanks to all the people complaining (!), there isn't any reasonable chance I will get lamb with veins on it.  Thanks guys :/

post #1780 of 2339

Not my jacket/size, but I put it on to take a pic. 

Ordered 5/3 received 5/13

post #1781 of 2339
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post

The jacket makers are already informed to place veins (if any) in inconspicuous places off at all possible.

In this particular situation, more hides would have needed to be bought.

If the solution to no stretch marks is simply to use more hides have you considered offering this option with a suitable upcharge? This nit seems to be picked with some regularity.
post #1782 of 2339
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Edited by omgcookielol - 5/16/16 at 11:51pm
post #1783 of 2339
people always gonna find something to complain about.
post #1784 of 2339

It's getting culty in here.

 

History repeats itself

post #1785 of 2339
Jacket looks a bit short, no?
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