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post #811 of 1722
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


It's really hard to draw a meaningful conclusion from this post. Maybe we need to examine the role of black SUVs?

It's not that I'm against rational gun control but you've really undermined the impetus here by tossing in the Paris tragedy.


I'm saying we need to make it realllllllly hard. 

post #812 of 1722
As the details emerge, the progressives/liberals will find it harder and harder to talk about the guns. Though they will certainly try. Shootings like this will result in more guns, not less. Why be a soft target, helpless? Trusting the government for your protection? We aren't fools.
post #813 of 1722
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I'm saying we need to make it realllllllly hard. 

Like in Paris? confused.gif

Canada? confused.gif

England (Cumbria)? confused.gif

I think conflating all gun homicides together is less than productive. Do I think if it was harder for folks to get guns that it would impact many types of gun deaths? Yes. Do I think it would really stop these psychopaths that do the mass shootings? Well, I think France, Canada, and England tell us it won't. The Boston and London bombings also tell us guns are not even needed for mass killings.

So pointing at San B and saying gun control would have stopped this is probably wrong. Pointing at your typical Saturday night shooting and saying gun control might have stopped that is far more likely to be correct.
post #814 of 1722
The gun control debate in this country is dead. Nothing meaningful will be enacted on the national level. There's no will for it in Congress and there's too much money against it.
post #815 of 1722
Too much money against it. That's hilarious. The NRA and the gun industry are microscopic compared to other lobbies.
post #816 of 1722
If you were to find an honest liberal, they'd tell you that they know gun control won't stop mass killings, but that passing a law requiring good citizens to give up their rights would make them feel better about themselves.

"We need to do something" is code for "you need to give up something, even though it won't make a difference, so I can feel good about myself."
post #817 of 1722
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Too much money against it. That's hilarious. The NRA and the gun industry are microscopic compared to other lobbies.

Bought some stuff from midwayusa recently, and they are pretty much asking money for the NRA, and encouraging to join.
post #818 of 1722
Huffington is claiming 1.05 mass shootings per day in the US this year, which is drastically inflated by including every shooting involving more than 4 people, a flaw they even admit within the article. This would include a lot of the inner city crime Huffington likes to sweep under the rug (or blame on institutional racism if and when they're forced to discuss it). Would be great for a research team to compile every banner headline Huffington has ran this year just to showcase how many of these mass shootings, which Huffington usually promotes in bold red letters, mysteriously never made headlines.
post #819 of 1722
The NRA has about $220 million dollars. Bloomberg and the anti-gunners have tens of billions. It's clear whose side the money is on. This is just one of those issues where the American people haven't yet opened up their assholes to the government and votes still matter, at least outside of those socialist enclaves of NY and Cali.

Fortunately, 3D printing and associated technologies are going to make gun control irrelevant.
post #820 of 1722
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

The NRA has about $220 million dollars. Bloomberg and the anti-gunners have tens of billions. It's clear whose side the money is on. This is just one of those issues where the American people haven't yet opened up their assholes to the government and votes still matter, at least outside of those socialist enclaves of NY and Cali.

Fortunately, 3D printing and associated technologies are going to make gun control irrelevant.

Bloomberg himself has billions, his gun control organization doesn't.

Here's a comparison between the gun rights and gun control lobbies in spending during 2014: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-loaded-is-the-gun-lobby/

The NRA and other gun rights organizations spend quite a bit more.
post #821 of 1722
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

Bloomberg himself has billions, his gun control organization doesn't.

Here's a comparison between the gun rights and gun control lobbies in spending during 2014: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-loaded-is-the-gun-lobby/

The NRA and other gun rights organizations spend quite a bit more.


WOW, PBS is full of fucking lying fucktards. Even following their own citation the NRA spent less than eleven million from 2008-2013 in TOTAL. There isn't even a listing for 2014. Where did PBS get those fucking lying stats?

Opensecrets is the source PBS cites and here is Opensecrets' page on the NRA.

http://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/nonprof_contrib_summ.php?id=530116130

The NRA spent 20 times their annual budget in 2014? An off-election year?

Nigga, please.
post #822 of 1722
You're looking at the wrong page. This: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082&cycle=2014 shows the figure that PBS used.
post #823 of 1722
So prohibition doesn't work for drugs but will work for guns.

I guess that's slightly less stupid than prohibition won't work for guns but will with drugs.
post #824 of 1722
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

You're looking at the wrong page. This: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082&cycle=2014 shows the figure that PBS used.


I see a little over three million spent on lobbying in 2014. What am I missing?
post #825 of 1722
NRA lobbying is grassroots lobbying. Is there any proof that SmithKline or PG or Ford are contributing?

I'm all for it.
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