or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › General › Current Events, Power and Money › Take all of the guns. All of them.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Take all of the guns. All of them. - Page 6

post #76 of 1719
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


What makes you think the price of guns on the black market will be high? They're cheap enough in a lot of places that they're giving kids AK47s. Also, if guns get to be so expensive, why not explosives? These poor, dirt farmers in countries noone can find on a map, sure make enough of them.


Is this a serious question? An AK-47 will cost you about $15k in Australia. 

post #77 of 1719
Quote:
Originally Posted by ethanm View Post


Is this a serious question? An AK-47 will cost you about $15k in Australia. 

Comparing Australia to the US, with it's current highly porous border with Mexican, is not apt. If 15-20 million people can cross that border guns are not going to be hard to get across it.
post #78 of 1719
I watched an interesting doc a while back about the cottage industry in Pakistan making AKs with rudimentary hand tools in mud huts with dirt floors . Kinda like the old colonial musket makers . I'll see if I can dig it up . The strength of
mans determination to blow holes in his fellow man makes me feel pretty pessimistic about any kind of real gun control
Edited by Numbernine - 8/28/15 at 3:20pm
post #79 of 1719
Quote:
Originally Posted by ethanm View Post


Is this a serious question? An AK-47 will cost you about $15k in Australia. 

I'm sure more enterprising folks in the US can drive that price down.
Quote:
Originally Posted by englade321 View Post

I watched an interesting doc a while back about the cottage industry in Pakistan making AKs with rudimentary hand tools in mud huts with dirt floors . Kinda like the old colonial musket makers . I'll see if I can dig it up . The strength of
mans determination to blow holes in his fellow man makes me feel pretty pessimistic about any kind of real gun control

Where there's a will, there's a way.
post #80 of 1719
I do not hunt with a gun but what about all the people that do? Is that not reason for a civilian to have several rifles and pistols depenfing upon the game
post #81 of 1719
Quote:
Originally Posted by scarphe View Post

I do not hunt with a gun but what about all the people that do? Is that not reason for a civilian to have several rifles and pistols depenfing upon the game

I have it on good authority from people who have never seen a gun in person that pistols are only used to shoot other people.
post #82 of 1719

i don't wanna derail this thread, in all earnestness what game do you hunt with a pistol? wouldn't your quarry have to be blind and downwind to get range? seems kinda not fun to walk up to a damn turkey or quail and cap it in the face with a glock... but maybe there's something i'm missing?

 

i don't own a gun but i did take my wife to a gun safety class for her birthday a few years ago. we learned a lot and had a pretty good time all in all. 

 

OK. getting back to the thread, the right to arm and defend oneself is as god-given as the right to speak one's mind. free societies are only ever free when they claim and exercise personal rights. people who rely on "common sense" or "civility" or "due consideration" as a basis for self-action either never understood or have forgotten that it's impossible for a true right to be granted from one sovereign human being to another. 

 

i'll put it another way: if another person can grant you any right then they can also take it away. at that point, a sovereign becomes a slave and a beggar. but it seems a lot of folks out there would happily take that bargain... 

 

of course, none of that matters since from a practical standpoint of governance it's far better for gun ownership to to appear as a "sanctioned" right than as an exercise in civil disobedience. knowwhatimean?

post #83 of 1719
Quote:
Originally Posted by double00 View Post

i don't wanna derail this thread, in all earnestness what game do you hunt with a pistol? wouldn't your quarry have to be blind and downwind to get range? seems kinda not fun to walk up to a damn turkey or quail and cap it in the face with a glock... but maybe there's something i'm missing?

Some people hunt large game. Others carry a pistol while hunting large game in case a bear sneak up on them. Some people small game hunt such as hares with rimfire pistols.

I know a guy who got his carry permit because he likes hiking in state parks where bear are common, and he wants to be able to defend himself from a bear if he gets attacked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handgun_hunting
post #84 of 1719
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by double00 View Post
 

at that point, a sovereign becomes a slave and a beggar.

 

There is no such thing as a sovereign person you weirdo. 

post #85 of 1719
Private gun ownership per capita:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Here's the top 25 countries in per capita gun ownership:

United States
Serbia
Yemen
Switzerland
Cyprus
Saudi Arabia
Iraq
Uruguay
Sweden
Norway
France
Canada
Austria
Iceland
Germany
Finland
Oman
Bahrain
Kuwait
Republic of Macedonia
Montenegro
New Zealand
Greece
United Arab Emirates
Croatia


Per capita homicide rates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


The U.S. is number 1 in guns per capita. The U.S. is number 111 in homicide rate. If private gun ownership was the primary cause of homicide, then Switzerland, and most of Northern and Western Europe should be homicidal wastelands.

Mexico: Ranked 41 in guns per capita, Ranked 22 in homicide rates. Brazil: Ranked 72 in guns per capita, ranked 18 in homicide rate. Sweden Ranked 9 in guns per capita, ranked 205 in homicide rate.
post #86 of 1719
Quote:
Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

I have it on good authority from people who have never seen a gun in person that pistols are only used to shoot other people.
Wrong
A farmer was having problems with a bear climbing up his tree in the back yard, so he hired this guy who came very highly recommended to catch the bear.

The hunter came with a pistol,rope, and a small dog. He gave the pistol to the farmer and said, "Stay down here and I'll climb the tree, and shake the branches. When the bear falls, my dog will bite on his nuts, and while the bear is in agony, I'll come down and tie him up with the rope. Okay?"

The farmer nodded his head and asked, "But what is the pistol for?"

The hunter replied, "Well, sometimes I fall off the tree. In that case, shoot the dog - fast!"
post #87 of 1719
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai View Post

Private gun ownership per capita:

 

Listen here you country fool, the United States has far and away had the most mass shootings of developed nations. This is goddamn unacceptable. The cost of you and your pocket Constitution toting gun buddies is a room full of dead children.

 

That is the cost of your toys, I hope you are okay with that. 

post #88 of 1719
Quote:
Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

Listen here you country fool, the United States has far and away had the most mass shootings of developed nations. This is goddamn unacceptable. The cost of you and your pocket Constitution toting gun buddies is a room full of dead children.

That is the cost of your toys, I hope you are okay with that. 

Mass shootings =! per capita shootings.

It's like the difference between a deadly car accident where one person dies and a plane going down with 250 on board. People notice 250 people dying in one incident but somehow don't get worked up over a total of 30-40,000 bodies in a year.

You did finally get in a good frothy post though so maybe this thread might get some legs?
post #89 of 1719
Quote:
Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

Listen here you country fool, the United States has far and away had the most mass shootings of developed nations. This is goddamn unacceptable. The cost of you and your pocket Constitution toting gun buddies is a room full of dead children.

That is the cost of your toys, I hope you are okay with that. 

Didn't you take an oath to defend the Constitution?
post #90 of 1719
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


Didn't you take an oath to defend the Constitution?


That oath never clarified which interpretations we were supposed to adhere to. 

 

The 2nd Amendment as currently interpreted is too broad and misunderstood by most who fetishize it. 

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Current Events, Power and Money
Styleforum › Forums › General › Current Events, Power and Money › Take all of the guns. All of them.