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post #691 of 1721
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

The laws aren't good enough. We need new federal laws banning knives and perhaps a cooling off period.  No exemptions on background checks for knife shows either.

You believe in banning weapons too, do you think you should be able to own a tactical nuke? There are different degrees on restrictions possible but it isn't intrinsically more ridiculous to put it at knives than at guns or massivw weapons...
post #692 of 1721
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You believe in banning weapons too, do you think you should be able to own a tactical nuke? There are different degrees on restrictions possible but it isn't intrinsically more ridiculous to put it at knives than at guns or massivw weapons...

 

I draw the line at weapons of mass destruction, but building new nuclear weapons are cost prohibitive for anyone but Forbes 400 members.  Stealing or buying black market weapons less so, but then people buying black market weapons probably don't care if they are legal to own.

post #693 of 1721
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 

 

I draw the line at weapons of mass destruction, but building new nuclear weapons are cost prohibitive for anyone but Forbes 400 members.  Stealing or buying black market weapons less so, but then people buying black market weapons probably don't care if they are legal to own.


The point of making them illegal is to stop their manufacture. Eventually, they disappear through confiscation, breaking, etc and they can't be replaced. The aim of making gun ownership illegal is to stop the manufacture except for government contracts. Buying an AR15 in Australia for instance is damn near cost prohibitive. 

post #694 of 1721
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post
 


The point of making them illegal is to stop their manufacture. Eventually, they disappear through confiscation, breaking, etc and they can't be replaced. The aim of making gun ownership illegal is to stop the manufacture except for government contracts. Buying an AR15 in Australia for instance is damn near cost prohibitive. 

 

Do you really think that will work?  3D printing is already proving someone sitting at home can start cranking out their own guns.  It is still in its infancy, and it is very expensive, but in 3-5 years, I expect it to be much more mainstream.  Plus you have hundreds of millions of guns in circulation that won't be easily or quickly rounded up.  We talk about how hard it would be to round up all the illegal immigrants in this country and send them home, but there is an order of magnitude more guns.

 

Plus, unless you can pull it off world wide, there are plenty of countries that will manufacture and  import weapons.  Has prohibition worked for drugs?  Did it work for alcohol? 

post #695 of 1721
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The whole premise of this thread is wouldn't it be nice if there weren't guns? Of course it's not possible! Can't a kid have a dream? 

 

But on some real, I think that these crazy suburban kids shooting up schools would not be able to buy guns from the black market. 

post #696 of 1721
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

The whole premise of this thread is wouldn't it be nice if there weren't guns? Of course it's not possible! Can't a kid have a dream? 

But on some real, I think that these crazy suburban kids shooting up schools would not be able to buy guns from the black market. 


It wouldn't be nice if there weren't guns. That's why your whole premise is flawed.
post #697 of 1721

To clarify, I only gave ethan a thumbsup for admitting his premise is flawed and he just wants to dream.

post #698 of 1721
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It wouldn't be nice if there weren't guns. That's why your whole premise is flawed.

This guy would probably disagree

http://video-embed.pennlive.com/services/player/bcpid1950981438001?bctid=4598704064001&bckey=AQ~~,AAAAQBxUw0E~,DELAM66vw4z-hl01IhycwsWq-6Y4XfEN

post #699 of 1721


Lol, he's from central PA, of course he'd agree.
post #700 of 1721
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Lol, he's from central PA, of course he'd agree.


That's a real fancy way of saying Pennsyltucky. 

post #701 of 1721
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That's a real fancy way of saying Pennsyltucky. 


Ah yes, trying to minimize the opinions of people in flyover areas. Nicely played.
post #702 of 1721

Railguns.  We better ban capacitors:

http://imgur.com/a/GrAiE

post #703 of 1721
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

I draw the line at weapons of mass destruction, but building new nuclear weapons are cost prohibitive for anyone but Forbes 400 members.  Stealing or buying black market weapons less so, but then people buying black market weapons probably don't care if they are legal to own.

I don't really care where you draw the line, the point is that you, like the vast majority of Americans, think there should be restrictions on what weapons private citizens can use. Maybe it is time to accept that and discuss where those limits should be instead of acting like there is a "no restriction" and a "ban everything including forks" camp and no other position is possible?

More importantly a state can only be said to exist with Gewaltmonopol, so maybe there is a way to have your citizens have access to said weapons when the state itself needs to be challenged but not for everyday use?
post #704 of 1721
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

...so maybe there is a way to have your citizens have access to said weapons when the state itself needs to be challenged but not for everyday use?

You actually think this could work. If you are the state and the people disagree with you your going to hand them guns?
post #705 of 1721
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post


The point of making them illegal is to stop their manufacture. Eventually, they disappear through confiscation, breaking, etc and they can't be replaced. The aim of making gun ownership illegal is to stop the manufacture except for government contracts. Buying an AR15 in Australia for instance is damn near cost prohibitive. 

Thanks for reminding me I really need to get off my ass and make a decision on an AR. I keep putting it off as ARs are the Fenders of guns. On the positive side, if my AR makes me as happy as the Fender i finally bought does, I'm going to live that gun.
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