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post #646 of 1719
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Yeah, but you can shoot anyone walking in your neighborhood without recourse in your state.

And we might get open carry this year. Fucking love this place. Here, have some skittles.
post #647 of 1719
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And we might get open carry this year. Fucking love this place. Here, have some skittles.

 

Minnesota already has it.  I always find it amusing that we have better gun rights than Texas (though, Texas has far better self-defense laws).

post #648 of 1719
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Originally Posted by SirReveller View Post
 
You realize nationalization in Britain (right after WW2) led to huge, bloated, uncompetitive state-owned industries that managed to lose vast amounts of money even as equivalent privately-owned businesses in these same sectors in other countries were booming, right?

 

Not replying to other irrelevant trash, but this one was too good to pass.

 

What you said is 100% the exact opposite of what happened. The NHS has been running worse and worse since creeping privatisation. The railways, too, run worse and worse, and train fares are three times more expensive than they were.

 

You might not know the actual history of my country, but I sure as hell do. And, anyone who tells you privatisation improves efficiency is a moron at best; efficiency has literally nothing to do with state-run vs. private-run as both can be run well or poorly. State-run, at least, has a lot more accountability than private-run. There's little to no democracy at all, when it comes to the private sector.

post #649 of 1719
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Not replying to other irrelevant trash, but this one was two good to pass.

What you said is 100% the exact opposite of what happened. The NHS has been running worse and worse since creeping privatisation. The railways, too, run worse and worse, and train fares are three times more expensive than they were.

You might not know the actual history of my country, but I sure as hell do. And, anyone who tells you privatisation improves efficiency is a moron at best; efficiency has literally nothing to do with state-run vs. private-run as both can be run well or poorly. State-run, at least, has a lot more accountability than private-run. There's little to no democracy at all, when it comes to the private sector.

Claims to have genius IQ; doesn't know the difference between "to," "too," and "two."
post #650 of 1719

Because genius has to do with immaculate editing? (Never claimed to be a genius.)

post #651 of 1719
Btw, Canadian healthcare improved with some elements of privatization.
post #652 of 1719
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 
I think you need to put free in quotes. Nothing is free.

 

Good point.

 

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Also, how can you have a right to force someone else to provide a service?

 

It's how economies work. It's very simple: You allow businesses to grow (I'm not at all against competition in the marketplace--except for services), you take much more generously from corporations (i.e. the rich) than we are now, and reinvest that back into the country and its workers. For capitalism to work, you have to balance of the two.

post #653 of 1719
Yes because owners with skin in the game certainly arent motivated to drive every efficiency in order to improve the bottom line? (I know youve never actually looked at an income statement so the evil capitalistic profit number at the bottom is typically a mere few % BTW).

Obviously some government bureaucrat would do a better job in most every case..he's running a business on taxpayers' money rather than his own...clearly way more accountable here.

Oh and once state subsidies and endless recourse-free state financing cease, certain things would become "more expensive." It's "more expensive" because end users foot the bill rather than every taxpayer!

Please spin me another Marxist yarn. I love them so.
post #654 of 1719

What planet do you live on, LOL? Capitalists constantly try to lower wages, scrap regulations, etc. The 'efficiency' is in them doing whatever it takes to make as much money as possible. If that means we all suffer as a result, how can you can that efficiency, unless what you care about is making more wealth inequality? It really is that simple.

 

If you, also, truly believe that the profits corporations show are their overall profits, you'd have to ignore tonnes of data suggesting corporations move their profits around through legal-work.

 

In one of your previous posts, you said you were all joking. Now, I could maybe imagine you were, but you say some pretty silly shit, and you said in another thread how you're a libertarian. Either, you're serious, or your occupation is being a jester.

post #655 of 1719
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What planet do you live on, LOL? Capitalists constantly try to lower wages, scrap regulations, etc. The 'efficiency' is in them doing whatever it takes to make as much money as possible. If that means we all suffer as a result, how can you can that efficiency, unless what you care about is making more wealth inequality? It really is that simple.

You're incredibly tunnel blinded by ideology.
post #656 of 1719
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Btw, Canadian healthcare improved with some elements of privatization.


So you're saying that sometimes compromise is the right answer? Your American citizenship should be revoked for such talk. 

post #657 of 1719
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So you're saying that sometimes compromise is the right answer? Your American citizenship should be revoked for such talk. 

Third Way, brah.

Also, you probably don't know it but Canadian health care is a special kind of stupid. The 1984 legislation that runs it was created specifically, and it's in the dicta, to prevent the formation of a "private and parallel" system. Most every universal system going will still allow dollars to talk except Canada where it's specifically illegal.
post #658 of 1719
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Third Way, brah.

Also, you probably don't know it but Canadian health care is a special kind of stupid. The 1984 legislation that runs it was created specifically, and it's in the dicta, to prevent the formation of a "private and parallel" system. Most every universal system going will still allow dollars to talk except Canada where it's specifically illegal.


I know more about how sausage is made than Canadian healthcare. 

post #659 of 1719
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I know more about how sausage is made than Canadian healthcare. 

I know more about both than J-arsehole does...but I have yet to post my Internet IQ scores.
post #660 of 1719
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
 
You're incredibly tunnel blinded by ideology.

 

Like I said, private-run or state-run can be just as efficient or inefficient. Governments who drive state-run services into the ground can be voted out of office. Somehow I don't think me having data behind my argument will sway you.

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