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post #556 of 1719
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To the left, intellectualism is mocking a document that guarantees certain rights and freedoms to citizens. That's really what it has become. The constitution is now a cliche. Freedom is a cliche. Patriotism is the worst sin. They truly hate their own country with ever fiber of their being (at least the ones leading the party). They are superior to half of the country just by saying so. As the population becomes more apathetic, spoiled, lazy and naive, these ideas are more appealing.

 

This thread just keeps on delivering. It's not hard to see why the left mock the right so frequently; it's very hard to try and bring people towards better ways of thinking, when they are so unbelievingly dumb-sounding.

 

The left are not unpatriotic; we just always choose to put logical reasoning and caring for others before die-hard nationalism. If you think about it, all you're really saying is: These values that I hold dear (owning a gun, etc.) I have branded as 'American' or patriotic. When someone challenges that view, you brand them as anti-American, anti-freedom, etc. Political freedom and freedom of speech is a large part of freedom, and you're ironically calling the freedom to mock people with bad ideologies somehow anti-freedom.

 

The left don't hate countries, because we know how dumb that is; how can you hate a land mass? We hate individual policies, and people in power who abuse our trust (just like any conservative). The right just use completely unrelated terminology ('freedom', 'the constitution', 'Amuuurka', etc.) to have a retort for people who oppose their self-evidently poor ideals.

 

'...apathetic, spoiled, lazy and naive...' I always thought these were conservative qualities.

post #557 of 1719
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Being a jackass at times is a necessary part of survival. Not just for humans but for all living organisms.


Particularly true for donkeys.

 

Joke of the year.

post #558 of 1719
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This thread just keeps on delivering. It's not hard to see why the left mock the right so frequently; it's very hard to try and bring people towards better ways of thinking, when they are so unbelievingly dumb-sounding.

The left are not unpatriotic; we just always choose to put logical reasoning and caring for others before die-hard nationalism. If you think about it, all you're really saying is: These values that I hold dear (owning a gun, etc.) I have branded as 'American' or patriotic. When someone challenges that view, you brand them as anti-American, anti-freedom, etc. Political freedom and freedom of speech is a large part of freedom, and you're ironically calling freedom to mock people with bad ideologies anti-freedom.

The left don't hate countries, because we know how dumb that is; how can you hate a land mass? We hate individual policies, and people in power who abuse our trust (just like any conservative). The right just use completely unrelated terminology ('freedom', 'the constitution', 'Amuuurka', etc.) to have a retort for people who oppose their self-evidently poor ideals.

I have to run to a meeting so am just saving this for future analysis. I've already spotted a few lulz.
post #559 of 1719

More pseudo-thought, I'm sure.

post #560 of 1719
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More pseudo-thought, I'm sure.

Pseudo-thought has a nice Orwellian ring to it.
post #561 of 1719
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More pseudo-thought, I'm sure.

The thought "the left," whatever that really means, puts "logical reasoning" above nationalism actually made me LOL at my desk. You've obviously never discussed healthcare with a lefty from Canada, for instance.
post #562 of 1719
The Jays win and JapanAlex is back with his leftist righteousness?

HooWee...I almost forgot Big Red is back in power.

BTW JA..the left has 'naivety' in the bag as a quality^1000 > convervatives.

Id also throw in delusion, condescension and sentimentality. (Also a powerful aversion to the cold realities of arithmetic....and an obsession with "discriminatory" _____isms.......and lately 'privileges')

Apathetic, spoiled, lazy? Cmon. These are qualities of any westerner of any political stripe whatsoever with his head in his phone fiddling with an app.
post #563 of 1719
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More pseudo-thought, I'm sure.

The thought "the left," whatever that really means, puts "logical reasoning" above nationalism actually made me LOL at my desk. You've obviously never discussed healthcare with a lefty from Canada, for instance.

 

Nationalism: 'The strong belief that the interests of a particular nation-state are of primary importance. Also, the belief that a people who share a common language, history and culture should constitute an independent nation, free of foreign domination.'

 

Nationalisation: 'The process of taking a private industry or private assets into public ownership by a national government or state.'

 

Completely different words, whoops-a-daisy Piobaire. And, I am a lefty from Canada; I lived there for years.

post #564 of 1719
Oh no...
post #565 of 1719
JA: stoked about the Libbies or disappointed the true socialists imploded? Either way: it's bye-bye time for the balanced budget in Canada so that has to make you happy, non?
post #566 of 1719

The one thing I'll say about Canada is that they're not tackling wealth inequality and corporate theft just like any other country.

post #567 of 1719
LOL

Dont worry. Once the highest marginal tax rate is hiked to 60%+ the incentive to work, innovate and take business risk in order to become wealthy will have been removed and true equality will have been achieved.

Personally, I dream of a country where GDP simply = G. All the other letters are so darned "unfair"! frown.gif
post #568 of 1719

If you look back not so long ago in American history, the greatest period was, arguably, right after the New Deal all the way up until the late 60s. Something funny happened in the 70s: Corporation tax was massively lowered, and America has become worse ever since. The majority become worse and worse off (wages have steadily lowered since the 70s in terms of inflation, etc.). For any society to function, all members of that society put in. This is an undeniable fact. It's how societies function. The rich and corporations are hiding all their money overseas, as we all well know. Who needs $100,000 million every year? What would you do with all that money? A lot of that money could be going into infrastructure (high-speed rail, high-speed internet, solar technology, nuclear fission, bridges, roads, etc.), housing and other things to improve society as a whole.

 

The thing conservatives and libertarians can't seem to grasp is that when one section of society doesn't pay in (the rich), the entire society falters. You have to raise money from somewhere to use it elsewhere. To simply keep lowering taxes (and in almost all cases take very little to no tax at all) on corporations and the super-wealthy (remember, SirReveller, you are not super-wealthy; I'm talking billionaires here) is self-evidently self-destructive. It means governments have no money to use for reinvesting back into society. What conservatives also can't seem to grasp is how absurdly counterintuitive this is for their well-being and their country. I thought conservatives tended to lean towards patriotism? What is less patriotic than allowing the super-rich to swing elections, buy politicians, pay their workers as low as possible, outsource jobs overseas, pollute the very environment you inhabit?

 

The government have two places they can take money from (which they have to do): The rich and corporations or from anyone on a basic income. They know only the rich can afford to lend them money, and they know the people will be pissed, if they raise taxes on them. So, what happens is the rich (and countries like China--ha, how ironic, a filthy communist country holding most of a capitalist one's debt) lend money to the government; this means they get that money back with whatever interest they set.

 

Self-evidently, you have two choices (and only two): You either let the rich lend money with interest, or you just raise taxes on them until you get the money you need, anyway. Why would you choose the one where you pay back interest? That's fucking stupid, but it's what's happening.

 

This allows the already rich and powerful (who own most of the land and shares, etc.) to become even more rich and powerful. Neoliberals always go on about having competition in a strong economy (the only thing I agree with them on), but they hand power over to the already rich, and therefore remove said competition. Neoliberals are hypocritical and myopic.

 

Conservatives have been conned by the rich, and media controlled by the rich, into thinking cutting spending instead of raising taxes is better. It doesn't take a genius to see it is only better for the rich.

 

To have to explain this (for the X time) to (I'm assuming) a fully grown man is bizarre. This is why the left find it so easy call conservatives idiots. They can never seem to grasp very plain, obvious facts. They mistakenly direct their mistrust towards the government, when it should be directed towards the rich. They squabble over the rights of women, gun control, religion, etc., which redirects away from the actual issues (wealth inequality, climate change, etc.).


Edited by JapanAlex01 - 10/20/15 at 4:00am
post #569 of 1719

And, to go back to Canada, the Liberal Party there look great; they're saying all the right things, at least. The Conservatives have not been doing enough for it's citizens there for years now.

 

If you look at the world as a whole, you have people like Bernie Sanders, Jeremy Corbyn, Syriza, the Liberal Party of Canada making huge ground where they ordinarily wouldn't have before. If you're sharp enough, you'll see how a lot of people are getting angry about the issue I laid out in my above post. So, whether you can handle the fact that your ideology makes countries worse off and not better or not, things are changing the world over. The real crux is whether things will change enough to make a real difference (which I admit I am dubious about).

 

Anyway, carry on about how we all need guns, to fight the government. Didn't mean to stop the circle jerk. ;) 

post #570 of 1719
The rich never pay, putz. Look at tax revenues as opposed to rates. You can't get more money from the rich then they're willing to give no matter how much you jack up the rates. They are smarter than you (or at least their accountants are). That's why they're rich and you're poor.


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