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post #196 of 1721
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

I think all the people who are pro-gun are pro-gun for reasons which elude even them. That is to say: They're stupid, are going to carry on being stupid, and anyone with reasonable intellect who tries to discourage them from being stupid is just going to will them into being more stupid. Welcome to America.

Perhaps we should be governed by an elite group of scientists, theorists, and experts. Smart people.

We could call them "philosopher kings."
post #197 of 1721
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Perhaps we should be governed by an elite group of scientists, theorists and experts. Smart people.

We could call them "philosopher kings."

 

That seriously wouldn't be a bad idea. At least scientists tend to have a higher level of conviction, due to the scientific process, compared to the average politician.

post #198 of 1721
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That seriously wouldn't be a bad idea. At least scientists tend to have a higher level of conviction, due to the scientific process, compared to the average politician.

Plato argued that philosopher kings should rule as dictators, and the family unit should be dissolved. Children would be mothered and fathered by the community.

Sounds like a cult, doesn't it?

If you believe scientists are above cattiness, selfishness, hatred, and arrogance, I encourage you to attend some faculty meetings.
post #199 of 1721
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Originally Posted by scarphe View Post

...Unless you do not think people should be able to decide upon actions that only affect themselves.
Do you really believe that suicide only affects the person attempting/carrying it out?
post #200 of 1721
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
 
Plato argued that philosopher kings should rule as dictators, and the family unit should be dissolved. Children would be mothered and fathered by the community.

Sounds like a cult, doesn't it?

If you believe scientists are above catiness, selfishness, hatred and arrogance, I encourage you to attend some faculty meetings.

 

Of course, this idea isn't appropriate. I was merely making a joke. Scientists and researchers have been used by politicians to influence policy for a long time, though, so it's not that bizarre.

post #201 of 1721
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Do you really believe that suicide only affects the person attempting/carrying it out?

 

*Clapping* Thank you! I'm sure he's the same kind of person who labels suicide victims 'selfish'.

post #202 of 1721
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Do you really believe that suicide only affects the person attempting/carrying it out?
Directly yes, indirectly like any other action affects other people. But it seems like something of which someone should have control and the gov should not regulate it. If a person wants to hang himself more power to him He should be free to control his life as long as he is not harming anyone else
post #203 of 1721

I actually agree with you, that people should be able to do whatever they want, as long as they don't harm anyone else. (Technically, you are harming others, when you commit suicide, unless you have no family/friends at all.) But, I think a better way of coming at this argument is: We should be providing more mental health support, whilst also reducing the total number of guns in civilian control. I think you have to be completely batshit insane, to think reducing guns doesn't reduce total gun deaths.

post #204 of 1721
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I actually agree with you, that people should be able to do whatever they want, as long as they don't harm anyone else. (Technically, you are harming others, when you commit suicide, unless you have no family/friends at all.) But, I think a better way of coming at this argument is: We should be providing more mental health support, whilst also reducing the total number of guns in civilian control. I think you have to be completely batshit insane, to think reducing guns doesn't reduce total gun deaths.

Most of the U.S. doesn't have a problem with violence. The stats you see are largely driven by certain parts of the country, particularly when it comes to violence involving firearms. Guns are used for protection and stop crimes on a daily basis, although I sincerely doubt any publications or news outlets you frequent ever report those instances.

There are at least 100 million firearms in circulation here, and that's on the low end of estimates I've seen. Others say 300 million. Based on that alone, it would be impossible to prevent someone who wants a gun from getting a gun, even if you halted the sale of firearms in the U.S. beginning today. Someone who is willing to commit a murder doesn't care about catching a misdemeanor or felony for gun possession, clearly.

You fundamentally misunderstand people like me who are perfectly fine living in a free society where firearm possession is a guaranteed right, despite any of the perceived risks you associate with that right.
post #205 of 1721
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That seriously wouldn't be a bad idea. At least scientists tend to have a higher level of conviction, due to the scientific process, compared to the average politician.

Gib is an actual scientist and you've gone totally JA on him too so once again you're just tossing lies out there. Your world view is there's JA's opinion and then there is wrong which is defined as any deviation from JA's opinion. You're one of the most closed minded folks I've come across in the CE.
post #206 of 1721
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

I actually agree with you, that people should be able to do whatever they want, as long as they don't harm anyone else. (Technically, you are harming others, when you commit suicide, unless you have no family/friends at all.) But, I think a better way of coming at this argument is: We should be providing more mental health support, whilst also reducing the total number of guns in civilian control. I think you have to be completely batshit insane, to think reducing guns doesn't reduce total gun deaths.


Count me insane. But to those of us in the colonies, gun deaths aren't the point. We are not willing to hand over control of our lives to leaders who control standing armies.

This may seem antiquated . . . John Locke, feathered caps, horse-drawn carriages . . .

Yet human nature seems to win out every time. 65 million died in the 20th Century as the result of modern and enlightened government policy.
post #207 of 1721

At least, you're giving me a valuable response (not that I haven't heard it a million times before). More guns equates to less safety. Why would you want to live somewhere which is dramatically less safe just in case the government sent out the army to kill you? (You wouldn't win against the US army even with the current amount of guns, but gun advocates can never seem to comprehend this.)

post #208 of 1721
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

At least, you're giving me a valuable response (not that I haven't heard it a million times before). More guns equates to less safety. Why would you want to live somewhere which is dramatically less safe just in case the government sent out the army to kill you? (You wouldn't win against the US army even with the current amount of guns, but gun advocates can never seem to comprehend this.)



Safety is not freedom or happiness. We would all be safe if we we lived in a box of gelatin, like in The Matrix.

With respect to the army vs. the citizenry, that battle would never take place in the first place.

If the population were disarmed, it might.

"But this is America!"

Quite right. This is America, land of the free, because it is an armed America.

If you don't have the ability to overthrow tyranny, you are a slave.
post #209 of 1721

So, in all the countries who have little to no guns circulating in the populace, how many now have dictatorships?

 

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 If you don't have the ability to overthrow tyranny, you are a slave.

 

Come on, now. You can't be this collegiate.

 

Slavery

 

noun

 

'A condition of having to work very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation.'


Edited by JapanAlex01 - 9/7/15 at 9:24am
post #210 of 1721
How do I get one of those gelatin boxes?
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