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post #1351 of 1719
Well, as I read it, you don't have to be the victim to do the shooting.

So the guy sitting next to me at the internet cafe could shoot me to prevent me from my continued aggravated cyberstalking.

I mean...I'm sure those laws weren't written simultaneously.

Somebody thought "ok, what crimes is this ok for?? How about forcible felonies, those sound bad"
And somebody else thought "ok, we need to change the stalking laws to include this newfangled cyberstalking"
And yet another party thought "ok, we need to think of the children, so lets increase the classification for anything that targets people <16"

But at the end of the day, I read it as being legal to shoot someone who is engaged in aggravated stalking, which can include any categorization of normal stalking when done to a minor.

Also, I note that that would include violation of a temporary restraining order. While I don't think you should be allowed to violate restraining orders, I also don't think you should be able to kill someone who violates one against you, assuming they are breaking no other laws and/or not acting in a threatening manner. If the need for restraining you is so great that coming within 30 feet instantly enables a right to kill you, you should be locked up, not freed with a restraining order.
post #1352 of 1719
And it may well be that your solution is to recategorize cyberstalking as something else without changing the shooting laws, while my solution is to make it so you can't shoot someone for crimes like that...

but I would hope we can all agree that there is absolutely no situation in which shooting someone for typing comments into a computer is justifiable.
post #1353 of 1719
Have cyberstalkers injured and killed their victims? I can understand very well why some people need to be armed.
post #1354 of 1719
The injuring and killing are separate crimes that I am ok with excusing deadly force.

Typing creepy comments online, however psychologically destructive, not so much.
post #1355 of 1719
Seems weird to suggest making a big change to the law to avoid an amusing but unlikely scenario that to our knowledge has never occurred.
post #1356 of 1719
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Originally Posted by Kai View Post

Homeowner Shoots, Kills Teen Burglary Suspect

“You have to look at it from every child’s point of view that was raised in the hood. You have to understand… how he gonna get his money to have clothes to go to school? You have to look at it from his point-of-view.”


http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/03/11/teen-burglary-suspect-killed-homeowner/#comments

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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

Stealing is definitely a crime worthy of death. Definitely. 

I think the point is that an unknown intruder broke into the home. Does the homeowner know that the perp is a teenager? What's the intent of the perp - theft, bodily harm? Put yourself in the homeowner's place.
post #1357 of 1719
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Originally Posted by jhcam8 View Post


I think the point is that an unknown intruder broke into the home. Does the homeowner know that the perp is a teenager? What's the intent of the perp - theft, bodily harm? Put yourself in the homeowner's place.

Well considering the homeowner wasn't actually at home...I'd say they can be pretty sure that the intent is not bodily harm.

But that's cool, we don't actually expect you to read the article or the discussion in this thread about it...
post #1358 of 1719
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Well considering the homeowner wasn't actually at home...I'd say they can be pretty sure that the intent is not bodily harm.

But that's cool, we don't actually expect you to read the article or the discussion in this thread about it...

How'd he get killed, then? You don't expect me to read the damn article, I hope.
post #1359 of 1719
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Well considering the homeowner wasn't actually at home...I'd say they can be pretty sure that the intent is not bodily harm.

But that's cool, we don't actually expect you to read the article or the discussion in this thread about it...

Ah ha - I read the article and apparently there was an altercation as the break-in artist was leaving. If the homeowner felt threatened then she could use force to protect herself.
So, the shooting was not about theft, but about self defense. Perhaps.
post #1360 of 1719
Who cares what it was about: a burglar is off the streets, the world is a slightly better place. Anyone weeping over this trash needs to get a grip.
post #1361 of 1719
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Who cares what it was about: a burglar is off the streets, the world is a slightly better place. Anyone weeping over this trash needs to get a grip.

Certainly the values professed by the relative are different than mine and, no doubt, yours.
post #1362 of 1719
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Who cares what it was about: a burglar is off the streets, the world is a slightly better place. Anyone weeping over this trash needs to get a grip.


This. x 1000
post #1363 of 1719
I would hope my family would be sad if I got killed even if I was breaking into a house.
post #1364 of 1719
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Originally Posted by texas_jack View Post

I would hope my family would be sad if I got killed even if I was breaking into a house.

I would be sad if my child or brother got killed breaking into a house but I would also recognize that it was his fault. I would be mad at him and not the one who killed him.
post #1365 of 1719
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/03/he-thought-he-could-help-concealed-carry-gun-wielder-intervenes-in-domestic-dispute-and-is-shot-dead/

Some great examples at the end of trained CCW holders doing the right thing (except the chicago one...dunno why that one is included).
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