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post #1276 of 1719
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Oh, I didn't know suited had two accounts... Thanks for answering! 

If I was Suited, my response would have been at least five paragraphs.
post #1277 of 1719

and anyways, turns out in this country we don't use legislation, we use executive fiat

post #1278 of 1719
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The problems in Gary are similar to those in Chicago - poverty, fatherless homes, lack of role models, drugs, etc. Rural or not, the demographics of Gary are what you see in bad neighborhoods in Chicago. Gary is 85% black.

Just going to toss out there, that except for the 85% black, much of rural Canada could be described thusly.
post #1279 of 1719
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Originally Posted by origenesprit View Post

Neither should. That's the point.

Better outcomes could be achieved, but I can't say that I'm for stripping away every singe limitation in either case. We all have a line, except anarchists, we just draw it in different places.
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Just going to toss out there, that except for the 85% black, much of rural Canada could be described thusly.

The only rural section of Canada I know well is Pointe au Baril.
post #1280 of 1719
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post
 


drugs don't benefit from constitutional guarantee

 

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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
post #1281 of 1719
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drugs don't benefit from constitutional guarantee


Then why did it take a constitutional amendment to enable alcohol prohibition?

post #1282 of 1719

points taken. i was just pointing out that the right to bear arms is especially, explicitly recognized. of course that doesn't imply that substance use is unprotected, it's simply not addressed directly. 

post #1283 of 1719
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Then why did it take a constitutional amendment to enable alcohol prohibition?

It didn't, that was just the most politically expedient way to get a nationwide ban on alcohol. Localities can still be dry, which wouldn't be possible if there was a constitutional right to alcohol consumption.
post #1284 of 1719
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It didn't, that was just the most politically expedient way to get a nationwide ban on alcohol. Localities can still be dry, which wouldn't be possible if there was a constitutional right to alcohol consumption.

 

You performed your own "/thread" with the word nationwide.  The feds cannot legally do anything that isn't explicitly enumerated in the Constitution.  The states can, provided that the states do not infringe upon any "positive rights" expressed therein.

 

Homework:

1. Read Ninth Amendment

2. Read Tenth Amendment

3. Explain each in your own words

post #1285 of 1719
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Originally Posted by NickCarraway View Post

You performed your own "/thread" with the word nationwide.  The feds cannot legally do anything that isn't explicitly enumerated in the Constitution. 

That's not really true. The SCOTUS continues to find new things included in the enumerated powers, such as abortion, which was hidden in the penumbra. We won't even get into the tax for Obamacare.
post #1286 of 1719
Tsk tsk Pio, it isnt a tax.







Even though you are penalized on what? Your tax returns. rolleyes.gif
post #1287 of 1719
It's just an income tax--should have thought that amendment through before ratifying it, I think.
post #1288 of 1719
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That's not really true. The SCOTUS continues to find new things included in the enumerated powers, such as abortion, which was hidden in the penumbra. We won't even get into the tax for Obamacare.

 

Well SCOTUS has been entirely FUBAR since at least Wickard v. Filburn.  Roe didn't discover any extra enumerated powers.  NIFB v. Sibelius conflated "tax" and "penalty", but it only reaffirmed previous contortions of the general welfare clause - one cannot calculate Infinity Plus One.

post #1289 of 1719
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35394065

Mass shooting in Canada last week and not a single usual suspect ranting about it. frown.gif
post #1290 of 1719
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35394065

Mass shooting in Canada last week and not a single usual suspect ranting about it. frown.gif
Let’s be clear: At some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries.
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