Originally Posted by v0rtex
But how does one become refined in the first place? Refinement implies a process of education and experience.
These ideologies (as you call them) are one route to that knowledge. In the past it might've been passed down by fathers or society, but in the modern world of single parent families and political correctness it's harder to find such knowledge - the PUA stuff is what has cropped up in response to that.
It's inexact and mostly bullshit, but the fact that it is so wildly popular in certain subsets of young men (yes, socially inept nerds) shows that there is a strong desire for this knowledge and an inability to find it anywhere else.
Great post. A lot of the negative comments seem to be arguments from incredulity: 'there's no way i believe that works!'. The others are from people who don't need it at all and decry the 'losers' who do. Your post pretty much sums up my feelings, not everyone is great with women, they need to be taught. And what better way for nerds to learn than on the internet.
Personally I found the 'community' back in 2002(3?) from slashdot no less (nerd alert). I never seriously got into it so im not sure how far the rabbit hole goes so to speak. But it did teach me a few things:
1. Confidence - the site gave me an ego.
2. To take pride in ones appearance
3. How to attract and flirt with women
These lessons have made me more successful with women by far, and happier with myself in general. And while you debate the effectiveness of the 'Methods' remember that although the main goal of these sites is to help guys attract and sleep with women, the consequence of that is your fellow man is becoming fitter, more confident, more stylish and most of all happier. I think that's something we can all relate to trying to acheive.