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post #16 of 80
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Originally Posted by Philosoph View Post
This is exactly what I was thinking! But the complex theological argument possibility fell through when she said, "I don't think there was anything before Christians." Meaning that nothing existed before human beings who believed in Christ. That makes my head hurt, so I'm forced to conclude that she is just catastrophically obtuse.

Exactly. "There was nothing before Jesus" is a perfectly normal theological position. "I don't think there was anything before Christians" is just idiocy.
post #17 of 80
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Originally Posted by Saucemaster View Post
Exactly. "There was nothing before Jesus" is a perfectly normal theological position. "I don't think there was anything before Christians" is just idiocy.

Yea except the old testament predates christianity, or were you being sarcastic?
post #18 of 80
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Originally Posted by Violinist View Post
Yea except the old testament predates christianity, or were you being sarcastic?

If you hold to the belief in a triune God in which Jesus is one of the persons of the trinity, then Jesus predates the Old Testament and everything else in the world. This would be a normal thing for a Christian to say, given their beliefs.

Whether or not this is also idiocy is still up for debate.
post #19 of 80
^^^ Couldn't have said it better.
post #20 of 80
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Originally Posted by Philosoph View Post
If you hold to the belief in a triune God in which Jesus is one of the persons of the trinity, then Jesus predates the Old Testament and everything else in the world. This would be a normal thing for a Christian to say, given their beliefs.

Whether or not this is also idiocy is still up for debate.

Ahh I see. I did not think of the trinity in this way (of Jesus also being infinite, and not having had a "birth").

It's funny to me because even some of the craziest evangelicals will opt for medical treatments for terminal diseases. Science which depends on beliefs and "findings" which are in violation of those held by christians such as the aforementioned.
post #21 of 80
Usually the pre-incarnate Christ is referred to as 'the Word' (as in John 1) as He didn't become identifiable as Jesus until He was born, ie, became incarnate.

You may now return to your previously scheduled 'The View' bashing.
post #22 of 80
Yes, although if you go too far in distinguishing between "the Word" before the birth and "Jesus" after the birth, then you fall into the Nestorian heresy. I hear they burn people for that.
post #23 of 80
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Originally Posted by Philosoph View Post
If you hold to the belief in a triune God in which Jesus is one of the persons of the trinity, then Jesus predates the Old Testament and everything else in the world.

Except cavemen.
post #24 of 80
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post
Except cavemen.

Blasphemer



post #25 of 80
That is theologically true,

The Verb existed since ever. he took human form and came as Jesus Christ. But he was there from the begining.

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Originally Posted by Augusto86 View Post
The best part is...there are, if you take her words @ face value, two alternatives - either she is monumentally stupid, or she is making a complex theological argument. If she believes in a trinitarian God, then such a God, creating all things in the universe, predates everything, and as the Son is a portion of the three-in-one god, the Son, i.e. Jesus, predates the universe.
post #26 of 80
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Originally Posted by Philosoph View Post
This is exactly what I was thinking! But the complex theological argument possibility fell through when she said, "I don't think there was anything before Christians." Meaning that nothing existed before human beings who believed in Christ. That makes my head hurt, so I'm forced to conclude that she is just catastrophically obtuse.

Indeed, the Jews came AFTER Christ.

Jon.
post #27 of 80
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Originally Posted by lakewolf View Post
That is theologically true,

The Verb existed since ever. he took human form and came as Jesus Christ. But he was there from the begining.

I like that religion where breasts bounce in a bikini, that’s the best religion ever! I’d worship those things everyday.

Jon.
post #28 of 80
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Originally Posted by SoCal2NYC View Post
Jesus Christ...is every episode them just talking over each other and trying to get a word in?

When I hear women yapping on like this (Oprah is no better, if a bit more civilized/educated), it makes me think of going gay, but then I realize that the dating pool would include you, Whodini and Connemara, hence I would really not be better off anyway.

BTW, where are all those idiots that post on here about having women as best friends, talking about deep issues with them etc etc. Here are some women for you.
post #29 of 80
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post
BTW, where are all those idiots that post on here about having women as best friends, talking about deep issues with them etc etc. Here are some women for you.

Not all women are idiots.

It pained the misogynist in me to type that.
post #30 of 80
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post
When I hear women yapping on like this (Oprah is no better, if a bit more civilized/educated), it makes me think of going gay, but then I realize that the dating pool would include you, Whodini and Connemara, hence I would really not be better off anyway.

BTW, where are all those idiots that post on here about having women as best friends, talking about deep issues with them etc etc. Here are some women for you.

No, those are "˜stupid bitches'...they are a completely different category of women.

Perhaps you should de-antiquate your thinking and join us in 2007? While I'm sure it's all wonderful seeing everything through 1950's (just to take a stab of the type of era) rose-colored glasses, you should broaden your horizons regarding this issue; I mean if you did it with your sexuality, surely you could do it regarding this.

Jon.
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