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post #46 of 88
People always talk about how Republicans have moved to the right, how extreme they are, how unrealistic their promises are, etc. I assume these people didn't watch the Democrats' debate. "Everything everyone wants for free and no consequences. Except guns!"

You have to give Hillary Clinton credit. She comes off as really sharp for someone who's been riding her husband's coattails her whole life. No wonder Biden didn't show up, or he'd have been DOA.
post #47 of 88
October 14, 2015


Thoughts? I didn't watch that waste of time. I had more important things to do like stare at a wall and watch paint dry.
post #48 of 88
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

October 14, 2015


Thoughts? I didn't watch that waste of time. I had more important things to do like stare at a wall and watch paint dry.

I didn't watch it either, but I can tell you that is a typical Bernie Sanders style post. With numerous friends who are completely in love with the Bern, they have been for months talking about how the media and the elites refuse to give Bernie a platform and are trying to keep him out because he's speaking truth to power and what-not.
post #49 of 88
idk if Hilary was so good, first question she got she tried to dodge and Anderson called her out on it, to me she doesn't sound very trustworthy tbh - but i guess most people are watching these debates with already fixed idea for who they will vote so i doubt that matters at all
post #50 of 88
Actually, I thought Jim Webb did a pretty decent job. Bernie and Hills were terrible.

I'm still not voting for any of these socialists, just saying.
post #51 of 88
Bernie made a lot of sense, how middle-class is getting more and more fucked and disappearing etc but he doesn't seem to be a spokesman on par with Hillary or Trump
post #52 of 88
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

People always talk about how Republicans have moved to the right, how extreme they are, how unrealistic their promises are, etc. I assume these people didn't watch the Democrats' debate. "Everything everyone wants for free and no consequences. Except guns!".

It's a primary, and all the energy is stemming from Bernie's crowd right now. Makes some sense that they'd pander to that base (who also want to hear them bash Republicans).

Hillary has traditionally been pretty moderate. That's supposedly the big strike against her given the populist outrage this cycle. It'll be interesting to see how (if) she tracks back to the center assuming she wins the nomination.

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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

October 14, 2015


Thoughts? I didn't watch that waste of time. I had more important things to do like stare at a wall and watch paint dry.

Bernie had the best quote of the night ("tired of hearing about your damn emails") but it came supporting Hillary. I think Bernie spoke to who he wanted to speak to, but he's doing a better job pushing his message than supporting himself as President. He sounded pretty bad on foreign policy. I don't know that he can ever resolve the question of "Can a socialist win a national election?", especially if Hillary manages to co-opt a few of his key messages without going full-hog on it.

Hillary certainly sounded like she's done this before, couple little hiccups but she fit the picture she needed to fit. Some of the expected weaseling, of course.

Chafee was hilariously awful. O'Malley seemed like he was playing for a veep slot. Jim Webb mentioned killing someone in Vietnam and that's pretty much all anyone will remember from him.
post #53 of 88
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Actually, I thought Jim Webb did a pretty decent job. Bernie and Hills were terrible.

I've always been a fan of Webb due to him being the solitary voice of prison reform in Congress before it was ever fashionable.

That and he wrote a pretty solid book about Vietnam.
post #54 of 88
Some of my friends are posting conspiracy theories that the reason the media, such as CNN, are saying Hillary won is because the media outlets are big time donors to Hillary's campaign.
post #55 of 88
Even if they don't use the word "won", they will use the word "win" close to her name.
post #56 of 88
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

October 14, 2015


Thoughts? I didn't watch that waste of time. I had more important things to do like stare at a wall and watch paint dry.

Well no shit policy/political elite have a different view from "real" americans. We follow this shit 24/7 and read politico and not USA Today. Not to say our view is better or worse, but definitely different.

I watched about half of it. Pundits say Hillary won because she got let off the hook on issues that should hurt her (emails, representing wall street, another legacy candidate, ability to get republicans to work with democratic president). I agree with that assessment. She's a great debater and didn't have to defend herself much - just in time for a defanged benghazi hearing. Left no room for Biden to get in (he still can but I doubt people will be clamoring for him more than before).

I won't say Sanders won but his supporters will remain by his side. However, I can't imagine many moderates would feel inclined to look his direction instead of Clinton. I did hear the news though that 20 more people in some [small] focus group thought he did very well or won. So that jives with his support from the grassroots instead of establishmen - so nothing new for him, which is less than what he needed.

O'Malley really dropped the ball with not attacking Clinton on the issues I put in parentheses (I loved her pointing out he endorsed her in 2008). If he really wanted to win or look like he had a decent shot, he needed to break out somehow. He didn't.

Chafee was awful almost painful to watch - especially on the glass-steagall/patriot act votes. So bizzarre, I'm not sure why he bothered to get out of bed that morning.

Webb - seemed like he had a tree branch up his ass.

Anyway $0.02 from a DC elitist.

PS - I personally think it's important to watch the debates. Tells you so much about each candidate, and you get to see their [and others] evolution. The 2nd Republican debate was great because I saw in real time Rubio and Fiorina wake up - momentum they're still riding now. If Bush wins the nomination, Clinton will eat him alive in the debates. She'd make Rubio look like a baby (although she coudln't do that to Obama). I'd love to see her against Fiorina or Cruz.

PPS - If you really think it's difficult to watch debates, do what we do here in DC. Go to a bar or a friend's house and get boozy. Tons of fun
post #57 of 88
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

PS - I personally think it's important to watch the debates. Tells you so much about each candidate, and you get to see their [and others] evolution. The 2nd Republican debate was great because I saw in real time Rubio and Fiorina wake up - momentum they're still riding now. If Bush wins the nomination, Clinton will eat him alive in the debates. She'd make Rubio look like a baby (although she coudln't do that to Obama). I'd love to see her against Fiorina or Cruz.

I was thinking about the Rubio vs Hillary debate concept earlier today. Rubio showed a lot of knowledge, but it was like watching a college kid show how smart he was. He didn't come off like a truly seasoned professional. I wonder if that's just his style or if he needs more seasoning to really shine in debates.
post #58 of 88
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

Well no shit policy/political elite have a different view from "real" americans. We follow this shit 24/7 and read politico and not USA Today. Not to say our view is better or worse, but definitely different.

I watched about half of it. Pundits say Hillary won because she got let off the hook on issues that should hurt her (emails, representing wall street, another legacy candidate, ability to get republicans to work with democratic president). I agree with that assessment. She's a great debater and didn't have to defend herself much - just in time for a defanged benghazi hearing. Left no room for Biden to get in (he still can but I doubt people will be clamoring for him more than before).

I won't say Sanders won but his supporters will remain by his side. However, I can't imagine many moderates would feel inclined to look his direction instead of Clinton. I did hear the news though that 20 more people in some [small] focus group thought he did very well or won. So that jives with his support from the grassroots instead of establishmen - so nothing new for him, which is less than what he needed.

O'Malley really dropped the ball with not attacking Clinton on the issues I put in parentheses (I loved her pointing out he endorsed her in 2008). If he really wanted to win or look like he had a decent shot, he needed to break out somehow. He didn't.

Chafee was awful almost painful to watch - especially on the glass-steagall/patriot act votes. So bizzarre, I'm not sure why he bothered to get out of bed that morning.

Webb - seemed like he had a tree branch up his ass.

Anyway $0.02 from a DC elitist.

PS - I personally think it's important to watch the debates. Tells you so much about each candidate, and you get to see their [and others] evolution. The 2nd Republican debate was great because I saw in real time Rubio and Fiorina wake up - momentum they're still riding now. If Bush wins the nomination, Clinton will eat him alive in the debates. She'd make Rubio look like a baby (although she coudln't do that to Obama). I'd love to see her against Fiorina or Cruz.

PPS - If you really think it's difficult to watch debates, do what we do here in DC. Go to a bar or a friend's house and get boozy. Tons of fun

Agree with a lot of what you said, but with social media and the increasing use of focus groups by news programs for post debate analysis, what average people view may impact more because they can influence others.

I didn't watch the D debate because I was out and about last night, and when I tried turning it on CNNGo wouldn't load.
post #59 of 88
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

I didn't watch it either, but I can tell you that is a typical Bernie Sanders style post. With numerous friends who are completely in love with the Bern, they have been for months talking about how the media and the elites refuse to give Bernie a platform and are trying to keep him out because he's speaking truth to power and what-not.

The usual dipshits are now talking about how the media is ignoring the various internet polls showing that Bernie won.


Someone ask Ron Paul about the accuracy of internet polls.
post #60 of 88
^Poor Ron Paul I really liked the guy(minus his stance on global warming)

You might be right because we have same here. Here often more 'alternative' politicians have better internet standings because their fanbase is more active and involved in politics than 'tv audience'
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