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Matthews was just rambling on MSNBC, and as someone said above, Matthews was postulating "Hispanic" might not be the correct term for a Cuban national. Given some recent national stories, where the meta-narrative from right thinking people is that a person is what they self-identify as, it's just funny our friend Chris would mumble this thought crime.


"Right-thinking"* people don't say that a person is what they self-identify as but that taxonomy are always constructed. Latino is a complicated one because it makes no sense to a Spanish person and would be totally weird in Europe but sorta wonkily works in America. One of the initial uses of these theories (way outside the race or whatever context) was just to show there were social conditions making thinking, saying and acting certain ways possible or unconceivable.

*by right thinking I'm assuming you are talking about the progressive side of the recently flared USA identity wars. These people aren't theoreticians but they are using theories that they might not understand and/or use properly.

As for the Matthews thing I have no idea what is going on but going from "only dems can be latinos" to "Cubans are not latinos" already seem a pretty big step so not sure what you were drving at (not saying you're full of shit I'm just confessing I don't get it.)
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Matthews was just rambling on MSNBC, and as someone said above, Matthews was postulating "Hispanic" might not be the correct term for a Cuban national. Given some recent national stories, where the meta-narrative from right thinking people is that a person is what they self-identify as, it's just funny our friend Chris would mumble this thought crime.


"Right-thinking"* people don't say that a person is what they self-identify as but that taxonomy are always constructed. Latino is a complicated one because it makes no sense to a Spanish person and would be totally weird in Europe but sorta wonkily works in America. One of the initial uses of these theories (way outside the race or whatever context) was just to show there were social conditions making thinking, saying and acting certain ways possible or unconceivable.

*by right thinking I'm assuming you are talking about the progressive side of the recently flared USA identity wars. These people aren't theoreticians but they are using theories that they might not understand and/or use properly.

As for the Matthews thing I have no idea what is going on but going from "only dems can be latinos" to "Cubans are not latinos" already seem a pretty big step so not sure what you were drving at (not saying you're full of shit I'm just confessing I don't get it.)


Its really not that complicated its just a comment on the fact that Cubans are exempt from the struggle toward being legal residents. It is automatically applied to them by stepping foot on US soil,as a result they may be seen as less sympathetic. Rubio and Cruz are of Cuban descent

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Don't be such a Crafead.

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Crap head. 

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Are you new to CE

post #337 of 440
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

"Right-thinking"* people don't say that a person is what they self-identify as but that taxonomy are always constructed. Latino is a complicated one because it makes no sense to a Spanish person and would be totally weird in Europe but sorta wonkily works in America. One of the initial uses of these theories (way outside the race or whatever context) was just to show there were social conditions making thinking, saying and acting certain ways possible or unconceivable.

*by right thinking I'm assuming you are talking about the progressive side of the recently flared USA identity wars. These people aren't theoreticians but they are using theories that they might not understand and/or use properly.

As for the Matthews thing I have no idea what is going on but going from "only dems can be latinos" to "Cubans are not latinos" already seem a pretty big step so not sure what you were drving at (not saying you're full of shit I'm just confessing I don't get it.)

Yes, I have a number of actual Spanish and Portuguese friends and they all neither get the "Hispanic" thing nor want to be identified as one...except when getting their kids university scholarships. As to the Dems I misread that while traveling and it was the pondering if a Cuban is really Hispanic. What I was initially driving at has pretty much not changed in that I feel Matthews is attempting to do what the left so often does when a non-WASP appearing person is a Republican, namely, marginalize/minimize/cast into suspicion their non-Democratic standing. I cannot tell you how many times I've heard folks like Thomas or Sowell referred to as "house n*ggers" by supposedly progressive people and I felt, at least upon the initial read of Matthews comments, that this was just another manifestation of that.

I agree with the bolded. Just the other day I explained to someone why I never stood a chance to get into an Ivy was because I did not even know about the Ivies until I was in my late 20s.
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It was meant to be phunny.

Kudos to ethan for decoding it.
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I think Carson might have just touched one of the right wing third rails. I've not read a full report but it seems the gist of things are he basically said the whole Terri Schaivo thing was a mis-fought battle. If I've scanned things correctly he basically looked on the case with his medical training and pretty much said something along the lines of comfort care was indicated. That's just this side of Death Panel talk for some.
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T-minus 1 martini.
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This is going to be epically bad. 

post #342 of 440
Rand is the only Republican I could conceivably vote for.

Too bad he has no chance.
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Can somebody tell me who the "allies of ISIS" are?

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Can somebody tell me who the "allies of ISIS" are?

You?
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Can somebody tell me who the "allies of ISIS" are?

Saudi Arabia.
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