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post #46 of 56
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It pretty much always has been. As a rule, the Good Old Days were usually worse.

I'd agree that the Good Old Days were usually worse... but politically the early 20th Century seemed to have a much wider range of competing ideologies, all promising a better world - from communist utopias to the freedom of the capitalist markets.

Voting for a particular party would help to make that dream a reality and lead to a better world.

Now it seems politicians never talk about making a better world, just maintaining a less bad one and how voting for them will protect us from some unseen and statistically unlikely attack looming just around the corner.

(Disclaimer: I wasn't there, you might be right... but from watching old speeches and what I know about early 20th Century politics my argument seems to hold)
post #47 of 56
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Originally Posted by imageWIS View Post
Where are the Cato’s, and the Cicero’s, and the Pericles?
Cato: committed suicide when Julius Caesar kicked his ass. Cicero: beheaded when the Second Triumvirate put him on the ultimate shit list. Pericles: died of the plague after, what, three? of his sons died. The moral, as always: the fascists always win. When they don't, God finishes the job himself.
post #48 of 56
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Originally Posted by Saucemaster View Post
Cato: committed suicide when Julius Caesar kicked his ass.
Cicero: beheaded when the Second Triumvirate put him on the ultimate shit list.
Pericles: died of the plague after, what, three? of his sons died.

The moral, as always: the fascists always win. When they don't, God finishes the job himself.

Jeez, thank God I didn't mention JFK, Thomas More, etc...

Jon.
post #49 of 56
I don't see what all the fuss is about here. Augusto is right, love him, hate him, or really don't care, Clinton is a great public speaker, very articulate, and seems reasonably intelligent. While I think Bush is no idiot, he's anything but articulate, or at least on camera, and for the POTUS in 2007, that's what really matters.

Now Augusto, your title that you have forgotten what it was like...how old are you? How long ago did Clinton leave office? You sure you were paying attention at 15?
post #50 of 56
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
I don't see what all the fuss is about here. Augusto is right, love him, hate him, or really don't care, Clinton is a great public speaker, very articulate, and seems reasonably intelligent. While I think Bush is no idiot, he's anything but articulate, or at least on camera, and for the POTUS in 2007, that's what really matters.

Now Augusto, your title that you have forgotten what it was like...how old are you? How long ago did Clinton leave office? You sure you were paying attention at 15?

LOL

I think I was pretty politically aware for 15. Aware enough to be pissed about the 2000 election.
post #51 of 56
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LOL

I think I was pretty politically aware for 15. Aware enough to be pissed about the 2000 election.

Good for you! I did not pay any attention until I started paying taxes. Suddenly, I was "politically aware"!
post #52 of 56
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Good for you! I did not pay any attention until I started paying taxes. Suddenly, I was "politically aware"!

I was actually getting a paycheck freshman year in high school, and let me tell you...the first time I saw that "deductions" line I nearly flipped my shit.

Death and taxes...
post #53 of 56
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Originally Posted by v0rtex View Post

(Disclaimer: I wasn't there, you might be right... but from watching old speeches and what I know about early 20th Century politics my argument seems to hold)

Just for the record -- I may well be older than you, but I wasn't there either.
post #54 of 56
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He's probably reading the teleprompter

Now he stumbles and stutters even when he has something to read...the guy is an idiot...my grandfather checked out his transcript from college and saying he didn't do well at all is an understatement yet somehow it came out that he was a scholar
post #55 of 56
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Now he stumbles and stutters even when he has something to read...the guy is an idiot...my grandfather checked out his transcript from college and saying he didn't do well at all is an understatement yet somehow it came out that he was a scholar

Can you point me to a source that maintained Bush was "a scholar"? I mean, even he has made fun of his undergrad GPA.
post #56 of 56
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Originally Posted by v0rtex View Post
I'd agree that the Good Old Days were usually worse... but politically the early 20th Century seemed to have a much wider range of competing ideologies, all promising a better world - from communist utopias to the freedom of the capitalist markets.

Voting for a particular party would help to make that dream a reality and lead to a better world.

Now it seems politicians never talk about making a better world, just maintaining a less bad one and how voting for them will protect us from some unseen and statistically unlikely attack looming just around the corner.

(Disclaimer: I wasn't there, you might be right... but from watching old speeches and what I know about early 20th Century politics my argument seems to hold)

We went from the modern age and its absolute foundations to the postmodern times and the reign of fragmented images and lack of certitudes.
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