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I can't believe those people would completely disfigure such an iconic and pretty building into some mediocre corporate culture-like edifice. This just shows the complete lack of taste in the majority of people, pandering to cheap and mainstream notions of blonde-wooded minimalism and inferior quality ideas of "Luxury." http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3583
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The plan will almost surely set off a contentious public review. Admirers of the original filigreed design by Edward Durell Stone may make one last effort to save the facade, even though the designation committee of the Landmarks Preservation Commission has already declined to nominate the structure.
What? That building's an icon. In fifty years' time, or much less, altering it will be regarded as vandalism.
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Under the redesign, daylight would for the first time fill the inside of what is now a nearly windowless building. Slits and openings between the four-inch terra-cotta panels would give museumgoers views of Central Park and allow pedestrians to glimpse the galleries through a diaphanous veil. Vertical glass channels, filled with artwork, would penetrate the 10-story structure. The redesign, by Brad Cloepfil of Allied Works Architecture, was presented yesterday to the City Planning Commission, whose approval is required for the sale of 2 Columbus Circle, a city-owned building. The museum, formerly the American Craft Museum, would move there in 2006 from 40 West 53rd Street. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said yesterday that Mr. Cloepfil had "come up with a brilliant design that will bring this iconic building back to life and integrate it into the urban fabric of the neighborhood while preserving its unique personality." Unlike preservation battles in which venerable landmarks are defended from replacement by mediocrities, this debate will concern functional improvements to a structure about which even admirers confess ambivalence, reaching for words like zany, whimsical, kitschy, kooky and quirky to describe it.
I'm sorry, but the new design is just uninspired. It looks like scaffolding.
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What? That building's an icon. In fifty years' time, or much less, altering it will be regarded as vandalism. I'm sorry, but the new design is just uninspired. It looks like scaffolding.
"Upgrading" now, vandalism later--that's always the attitude with certain pieces of unappreciated works of beauty: '50s Maseratis were considered junkers in the '70s, Soviet architecture gets torn down, '30s-'50s haute couture was seen as used clothing in the '80s, American Chippendale was cheap stuff back in the '50s. That new building looks like something Michael Eisner or some other CEO might come up with. The fact that the location is called Time-Warner Circle is no surprise. It's perverse that New York would go about preserving brownstones and other redundant pieces of late 19th century and early 20th century architecture but not such a unique and captivating piece of work.
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Organsiations like Docomomo should be put on the case. There's also a "political" angle here - Durrell Stone was seen as a traitor to the modernist movement after the mid-fifties or so - too decorated and with too many historical references. I think it was the US emabssy in India that made him a semi-outcast: This is his own house - I think it's spectacular:
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So how did the Stone house almost become an official landmark? Stone is a hard architect to love, particularly in aesthetic terms. His brand of romantic Modernism has yet to come back into fashion, and, according to one New York architect, "Many people who love Modernist architecture don't like Stone." This is probably why, when the facade fell into disrepair in the late 1980s, Stone's widow removed the screen--and promptly got slapped with a Landmarks violation penalty, which halted all reconstruction efforts and made selling the property difficult. These days, such a violation can incur fines of as much as $250 per day. In 1992, Maria Stone applied to the commission for release from the violation through a "certificate of no effect." But some powerful voices spoke up for the white grille. Unbeknownst to the Stone family, Robert A.M. Stern, a strong advocate for the preservation of Modernist architecture, asked the commission to "rise above the inevitably changing winds of fashion... and preserve an important architect's ingenious, if controversial, solution to the problem of town house design." Stern's voice won out and the violation remained in effect. Stone's son, Benjamin Hicks Stone, an architect himself, proposed several of his own designs as alternatives, but the commission wouldn't accept anything other than the reconstruction of the original design, as unpopular as it was.
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It's really a pity. When I lived in NY, I loved the little 'loggia' or whatever on top. The new building is as vacuous and generic as Bloomberg's quote. I suppose you could argue that the design is perfect as the headquarters for something like AOL.
As a side note, why are preservationists so anti-modernism? It always irritates me when people get so fired up about preserving something which is architecturally insignificant but happened to be the residence of some third-rate writer, yet let things like this slide.
post #6 of 48
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I love those sorts of swank architectural pieces; woefully underrated these days rather like '70s design. That townhouse is fantastic as is the embassy. Durell Stone was seen as too decorative and "esthetic" by the original Modernists, a bit like Morris Lapidus I suppose, who actually had the nerve to insult Mies van der Rohe.
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For those interested in architecture, have you visited the Skyscraper Museum in New York? I certainly plan to on my next trip there.
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So THAT'S what that is?

For the past year and a half that I've lived here it has been covered with scalfolding and nets.
post #9 of 48
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Shit-ass motherfuckers and their inane ideas--this is almost protest-worthy.
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Let's organize a march. Three-piece suits required.
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Shit-ass motherfuckers and their inane ideas--this is almost protest-worthy.

I think you should go chain yourself to the building, LK.
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I think you should go chain yourself to the building, LK.

I think me being hauled away from the building in handcuffs whilst wearing a fantastic suit would be very photogenic.
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I think me being hauled away from the building in handcuffs whilst wearing a fantastic suit would be very photogenic.
I don't know; chaining oneself to a cause, so to speak, is not very blase.
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I don't know; chaining oneself to a cause, so to speak, is not very blase.

No, I would be causing a loud scene.
post #15 of 48
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Here is a letter I sent to the Landmarks Committee: Dear Sir, Whilst I may be late to this incident, I will say that your decision--or lack thereof--to allow the desecration of Edward Durell Stone's 2 Columbus Circle is inane and traitorous. For such an institution as you chair--something that calls itself a Landmarks institution--it is obscene, bordering on insulting, that you would dismiss such an iconic and captivating building in a flip manner as this. Were one judiciously forthright, the administration might be likened to an American Taliban simply in the way that it ignores esthetic, historical context and significance; indeed, leave it up for an entity called Time-Warner to plausibly complain that the original design doesn't suit their corporate-culture look of vacuous glass facades at Columbus Circle. Like cheap Chippendale furniture in the midcentury or Soviet architecture 50 years from now, this will come to haunt anyone and everyone who is remotely interested in design in the future. They will say: What were we thinking? ------ And another I sent to the Museum's director; the Museum is the entity responsible for the "revamp." Dear Miss.Hotchner, I found your flippant comments about Edward Durell Stone's building both insulting and remarkably inane. What bluster! It shows a general lack of knowledge and quite frankly, taste. Your brash dismissal about hearing of no one who likes the building esthetically is judicious evidence of that. Inasmuch as one person counts for something, well, I do believe you found one person who does admire the building from an esthetic point. Whilst I will not be writing some long-winded tirade--I'm sure you have something better to do--about why I do respect the building, I will say that your decision to "revamp" the building is a mark of error, a mark of Cain in sheer potential ugliness. This will stand as one of those silly errors that future generations will remark upon with a brief nostalgia and a lot of bewilderment. Think of it as the 21st century's version of Penn Station, but slightly more insidious considering it's "only a renovation." It was only a snort of cocaine; it was only one rape. Excuses seems to count for a lot these days.
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