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post #16 of 29
I have neither a bespoke suit nor a Kiton suit, so it is not really for me to say. One benefit of a Kiton (or any other prefabricated product) is that the finished item is right in front of you. You can judge whether the buttons compliment the fabric, whether lapels look good on you right now, rather than being horrified when that bespoke jacket is put on your frame for the first time. (I have had made to measure suits made that were very disappointing.) In some sense, the Kiton folks have made the tailoring decisions for you, rather than letting you and your tailor make imprudent decisions. Finding a good tailor does involve a bit of trust (not to mention luck), and not every town or city that has a Kiton outlet has a skilled craftsman. It may be easier and cheaper to plonk down your $5,000 in the local Neiman Marcus (Do they carrry Kiton?), than to fly to New York or Naples. Finally, some people with money to spare may like Kiton simply because of the label sewn into the garment. My younger sister was very much like this when she was younger. She wanted a Guess skirt. We were poor, but my mother could sew. My mother made her a skirt of better material than the Guess product, cut to my sisters proportions. My sister never wore it because the other junior high school girls could clearly see that it didn't have that inverted guess triangle on the back pocket. Bic
post #17 of 29
The reason why some people would spend 5K on a Kiton instead of going to Savile Row is pretty simple I think. Not everyone has a body that needs a custom suit. There are some lucky people that can simply walk into a store like Barney's, slide on a RTW suit, and it fits like a glove. Kiton makes beautiful clothes, and if they happen to fit your frame, why bother with bespoke?
post #18 of 29
I was fortunate enough to pick up an amazing double breasted super 150's (diamante) Kiton suit a while back on ebay for a pittance. It's much more difficult to find these types of deals on Ebay anymore, I'm afraid. koji
post #19 of 29
As per your question regarding getting a Kiton vs. bespoke: Bespoke is of course, the way to go for the ultimate fit, but if I had the money I would also definitely get a couple of Kiton MTM suits. Why? I love the styling, fabrics and cut. The construction is excellent, and most importantly, I know what I'd be getting The inherent danger with bespoke is spending upwards of 3 grand and ending up with a product you're disatisfied with (this has happened to many people I know). If you like the neapolitan cut, I think a MTM Kiton would be a very nice balance between the convenience of RTW and the specifications of bespoke. koji
post #20 of 29
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doesn't quite answer my question about kiton as opposed to bespoke...
For a bespoke experience that is comparable to Kiton would cost much more than buying a Kiton off-the-rack, unless you happened live next to Attolini.   However, for $5k, where Kiton MTM starts, I would get MTM instead of OTR.   A bespoke suit, as Thracozaag put it, takes serious commitment on the part of the client in order to get exceptional results.  Firstly, the population of specialized craftsmen matchable to a Kiton (or Borrelli or Brioni) is pretty small, and are generally concentrated in Napoli or Savile Row or other similar establishments.  Assuming you don't live anywhere near these places, you have to bear in mind that you need at least two if not three fitting for your first suit (at least one if not two for shirt), and if you were to calculate the cost, well, you get my idea.  Of course, if you are in London or Napoli, then obviously you don't need to buy OTR.  Most Americans (or Asians) are not that fortunate. There is of course the time factor.   Most people who pop into Kiton store and spend thousands of dollars on OTR are usually people who are: 1) too lazy to get a bespoke suit ('cos of the fittings, etc.), 2) too lazy to create his own style (picking of fabrics, styling, etc.), 3) doesn't know anything about custom tailoring, 4) can't find a good-enough tailor locally, or any other reasons along the same line.   I don't think anyone on this board would ever be any of the above.  As I said, if one were to spend $5K, he would be spending on at least MTM Kiton, not OTR (unless he needs the suit tonight).
post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by TomW,29 Sep. 2004, 10:03
When you learn to spell and use capitalization in your posts, perhaps you will also have learned something of life and will be then able to answer your own question.
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TomW, this was totally uncalled for. Props to @riss for refusing to stoop to TomW's level.
l absolutely love you guys. Someone acts like a boring know-it-all-jerk with no life and you give it to him in spades. Well done.
post #22 of 29
Actually for clarification, the reason TomW acted in such a childish manner was to partially enact the same childish retribution regarding two separate ridiculous commentaries by @riss against another member (me) in previous threads. Alas, he should not have acted in such manner and should not have lowered himself to @riss level, but what is done is done and there is no reason to continue the same manner of attack / counterattack, less we all get banned from the forum. Jon.
post #23 of 29
i don't have a kiton suit, but i have some blazers, none from the retail level. i have a customer who buys a lot of kiton and pays retail. i think it's a combination of: 1. he can afford it, paying 5K doesn't phase him. he wants it so he gets it 2. he loves clothes enough that it "makes sense" to buy it 3. he eats lunch with ciro paone so he's in tight with "the man"
post #24 of 29
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Actually for clarification, the reason TomW acted in such a childish manner was to partially enact the same childish retribution regarding two separate ridiculous commentaries by @riss against another member (me) in previous threads. Alas, he should not have acted in such manner and should not have lowered himself to @riss level, but what is done is done and there is no reason to continue the same manner of attack / counterattack, less we all get banned from the forum. Jon.
Jon is correct. I responded as I did, because of @riss' behaviour is nearly all of his previous posts, especially in his responses to Jon. I now regret reacting, it is not a common thing for me, but it does happen. My apologies to all.
post #25 of 29
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I responded as I did, because of @riss' behaviour is nearly all of his previous posts
thanks for the insight. alot of the replies were rather informative. i guess there is an expense/convenience ratio that must be factored in. i always figured that if one has that type of money and cares about clothes to such a degree, he would make that trip across the pond to savile row without blinking. however, i can see the impracticality of that for plenty of people who earn high, but are just really busy and don't demand bespoke.
post #26 of 29
There are RTW/MTM/bespoke debates regularly here and on Ask Andy... I think there are valid points on both sides. I personally buy RTW because it fits me very well and I don't feel the need to go bespoke, but others prefer the flexibility and freedom to choose whatever suit features they want. I personally defer to Brioni, Kiton, etc... in these areas.
post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by TomW,30 Sep. 2004, 09:08
I responded as I did, because of @riss' behaviour is nearly all of his previous posts
thanks for the insight. alot of the replies were rather informative. i guess there is an expense/convenience ratio that must be factored in. i always figured that if one has that type of money and cares about clothes to such a degree, he would make that trip across the pond to savile row without blinking. however, i can see the impracticality of that for plenty of people who earn high, but are just really busy and don't demand bespoke.
@riss, Again, I apologize for my outburst. As one who is fortunate to do quite well financially, I have pursued every purchase option known to me - RTW, MTM, and bespoke. All have their advantages and disadvantages. I am not easy to fit, at 6'1" in height, size 44 with a 9-10" drop and a short torso and equally short arms. I've had both good and bad experiences with every method of suit procurement - RTW is always the most challenging as a standard 6" drop just takes too much effort to tailor, MTM offers better fit and more consistently higher standards, and bespoke is rife with opportunities for unpredictable results - both good and bad. I rarely have the time required for Savile Row or Napoli bespoke suits - I've been lucky enough to have business travel to London on the odd occassion that has afforded me the luxury of bespeaking 3 suits in that city - 1 is a bit of a disaster, 1 is quite nice and well fitting, one is superbly tailored. The latter two took significant investments in time and personal attention to the details and making sure I got exactly what I wanted, not the tailor's interpretation (often very wide of the mark) of what he thinks I should have. I've been much more successful in getting suits from makers such as Kiton, Zegna Napoli Couture, and Isaia as well as Oxxford and many others, that are well cut, in a silhouette which allows for the necessary tailoring, readily available at discount (I admit to seriously enjoying the hunt) which give me the quality I'm looking for, without consuming weeks or months of my very limited time. If I should find myself living in close proximity to London or Naples, my habits would very likely change. Regards, Tom
post #28 of 29
The point about Kiton is their unique fabrics. Unless, one wants some fabric unique to Kiton, there would seem on need to use their bespoke service. As often pointed out, use the fashion sites to find a high quality tailor that is more convient than Napoli. Take some pictures, and work with them to get your desired suit. Perhaps, going to NM and trying on Oxxford, Brioni and Kiton and checking out the fabric samples would help to make up ones mind.
post #29 of 29
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i'm new to the site and admittedly learned of it through the nytimes article. i was wondering how many members actually own at least one suit from Kiton? and for those who do own one, why not take that 5k to Savile Row or some such place and get something bespoke???[b]
I don't own any Kiton suits. However, I do have one Brioni MTM suit. I would not want to purchase one at $5,000 when I can get two Darren Beaman bespoke suits for the same price. Since Darren comes to Washington DC every few months, there is really no extra cost for me. The only requirement is patience; this process is not as quick as a Kiton MTM suit. For a quicker turnaround and slightly more cash ($3,000), you can get a bespoke suit from Raphael. Bespoke provides an advantage over MTM in that I can truly personalized my suits. I have not had the best luck dealing with these so-called "high end" retailers. They tend to want to make your suit according to their preferences. For example, Louis Boston likes suits with narrow lapels. They were unrelenting. So, they lost a sales opportunity. But, in the end, it's truly up to your preferences. Based on my experiences with Darren to date, I will probably never go back to MTM. And because of Marc39 and Kia's recommendation for Raphael, he will probably be making my next bespoke suit. Mark
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