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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hi. I don't whether i've put this in the correct place, but I thought i'd vent a little.

I was watching this Corneliani suit.

Anyway, I missed the auction and I decided to contact the Seller.

We brokered a deal and she agreed to sell me the suit.

Anyway, before our agreement I asked her to describe ANY flaws on the suit (I understand that the suit was used). She replied (and these are her words).

"Hi Clint the suit cannot be classed as new as it has been worn, but there are absolutely no marks or stains rips or pull on the suit so it is in perfect condition. "

When I received the suit (last Friday), this is what I found.

1. There is extra "shine" on the trousers and jacket which would suggest excessive dry cleaning, or ironing.
2. On the trousers, there is a button missing on the back (finding replacements for single buttons are very difficult to do).
3. The stitching on the sleeve lining is coming away.
4. There is a hole between the first and second button on the front of the jacket. This is clearly visible when the jacket is unbuttoned.
5. There is a very minute hole on the rear flap of the jacket.
6. There are some minute pulls (with the fabric coming away) on the trousers on right leg, near the shin.
7. On both shoulders of the jacket, there are several black "spikes" protruding. I have no idea what they are and i've NEVER seen them on a jacket before.

I emailed her with my concerns on Sat, Sun and then attempted to make a claim via PayPal. I was flatly refused.

I'm seriously considering ending my 5 year relationship with PayPal. I've submitted a complaint to them, but i'm not holding my breath.

I don't know whether i'm naive or stupid (or both). However, i'm really mad. My question is "should I?"

Thanks

Clint
post #2 of 19
1. This is a flaw that makes it "not perfect".
2. It's easy to get a fresh set of 6 buttons and have them sewn on, they will match, it is cheap. But it should be there.
3. Easy to fix, but again, yeah.
4. This is the worst one.
5. This is also bad.
6. Probably fixable, but again, bad.
7. It's probably hair from the canvas, which is pretty normal, you can just pull them out.

What do you mean you were refused? Who refused what?
post #3 of 19
if your paypal is linked to a credit card company you can make a claim to the CC company. Amex is usually pretty good about this.
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by j View Post
1. This is a flaw that makes it "not perfect".
2. It's easy to get a fresh set of 6 buttons and have them sewn on, they will match, it is cheap. But it should be there.
3. Easy to fix, but again, yeah.
4. This is the worst one.
5. This is also bad.
6. Probably fixable, but again, bad.
7. It's probably hair from the canvas, which is pretty normal, you can just pull them out.

What do you mean you were refused? Who refused what?

Thanks for your comments. I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clearer (I was soooo mad ). It was PayPal who rejected my claim.

Thanks

Clint
post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dave5 View Post
if your paypal is linked to a credit card company you can make a claim to the CC company. Amex is usually pretty good about this.

Unfortunately, I had some funds left in my PayPal account, which I used to pay for the suit.

I think that i'm up sh*t creek without a paddle on this one.

I'm starting to get really fed up with this eBay/PayPal thing.

However, J's given me a little more hope insofar as getting stuff repaired.

I guess i'm upset because the seller still maintains that the suit is in Excellent condition (notice the change) and that there is nothing wrong with it.

I have sold a lot of stuff on eBay recently (and on here) and all I do is have a good look at the item. If possible, I run the iron over it. That way i'm forced to look at every aspect of the item.

However, the killer for me on this is that the first thing you notice is the hole in the jacket. IT'S RIGHT AT THE FRONT!!!

I'm getting emotional again!! I'd better calm down.

Clint
post #6 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by dave5 View Post
if your paypal is linked to a credit card company you can make a claim to the CC company. Amex is usually pretty good about this.

I go through a couple hundred grand each year on watches through Amex and PP...and you have the handful of a**holes who try to screw you and ship you a replica watch!
Amex is awesome...they freeze the purchase and I've never lost a dipute yet, so end of day I get all my money back and give the fake to my kid (who loves wearing a "rolex")!!
Mike
post #7 of 19
This is the problem with using Paypal for anything other than an eBay transaction. If you buy something outside of eBay, you have no protection as long as the seller can demonstrate that you've received the package, regardless of the condition it was in.
post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 
I fell out with AmEx a number of years ago and vowed never to use them again. However, after reading some of these replies, I may just go back on my vow.

I'm pleased that you feel that you've got things covered. I wished that I could say the same .

Quote:
Originally Posted by whusurdadi View Post
I go through a couple hundred grand each year on watches through Amex and PP...and you have the handful of a**holes who try to screw you and ship you a replica watch!
Amex is awesome...they freeze the purchase and I've never lost a dipute yet, so end of day I get all my money back and give the fake to my kid (who loves wearing a "rolex")!!
Mike
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjmin209 View Post
This is the problem with using Paypal for anything other than an eBay transaction. If you buy something outside of eBay, you have no protection as long as the seller can demonstrate that you've received the package, regardless of the condition it was in.

Now that's something that I didn't know. Thanks for the information.

Clint
post #10 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjmin209 View Post
If you buy something outside of eBay, you have no protection as long as the seller can demonstrate that you've received the package, regardless of the condition it was in.

This is an exaggeration, but using it as a working assumption certainly would be prudent.
post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post
This is an exaggeration, but using it as a working assumption certainly would be prudent.

You're right. It may appear not to be based in actual fact, but the way my claim was rejected suggested this very point.

Below is the reply I got within 10 mins of submitting my claim:

Quote:
We have completed our investigation of this case. No further action is required by you at this time. We have refused this claim. As stated in our User Agreement, PayPal's Buyer Complaint Policy only applies to the delivery of goods, not to disputes about the attributes or quality of the goods received. We have noted your claim in the seller's record. The seller's account privileges will be limited if excessive complaints are received.

And that's all she wrote!!!

I'm really considering termination my account with them. I can't believe they took money for a transaction and then absolve themselves of any responsibilty despite they boast "protection".

Chocolate Condom springs to mind!!!
post #12 of 19
This is wierd, as paypal does allow claims for 'significantly not as described'. I wonder what is different in this case?
post #13 of 19
Don't buy suits off ebay outside of an auction if you want _any_ chance of preserving your rights.

Quote:
Originally Posted by clintonf View Post
I fell out with AmEx a number of years ago and vowed never to use them again. However, after reading some of these replies, I may just go back on my vow.

I'm pleased that you feel that you've got things covered. I wished that I could say the same .

I've not had good experiences in Amex's handling of disputed charges myself. YMMV, obvs.
post #14 of 19
Nothing is different...I did a transaction outside of eBay and they immediately canceled my claim even though me and the seller came to an agreement and was trying to give me my refund!

From waht I've read all they protect is damaged goods while shipping, not the state of the item.

Quote:
As stated in our User Agreement, PayPal’s Buyer Complaint Policy only applies to the shipment of goods, not to disputes about the attributes or quality of the goods received.
post #15 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjmin209 View Post
This is the problem with using Paypal for anything other than an eBay transaction. If you buy something outside of eBay, you have no protection as long as the seller can demonstrate that you've received the package, regardless of the condition it was in.
I have had problems with paypal even on ebay items. I tried to put in a claim to ebay, and they sent me to paypal because I had paid that way. And paypal gave me the same story, I filled out a long form with the problem. I had ordered an ebay ski jacket for my wife listed as a size 6, and a size 4 arrived. I contacted the seller and she said she knew it was a 4, but thought it fitted like a 6 so she listed it that way. (It fit like a 4, a 6 would have been fine as I knew the brand.)

Paypal said that as I had received something in the mail, this was a quality dispute and they did not cover this even though the ebay listing, and the seller's admission, was that the wrong size was sent. So I went through Amex who told me to return it to the seller and refunded me.
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