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What is wrong with donald trump's suits?

post #1 of 17
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I saw the thread ragging on Donald Trump -- particularly demeaning the fit of his suits. So, I have a question: What IS wrong with his suits? I suspect they are custom made, but I agree that they just don't look it. Something isn't right with the shoulders, or the length, or SOMETHING. I just can't put my finger on it. this is the point of the thread. As a side note, anyone should feel free to discuss Raj's attire. I personally think that he is one of the most stylish television personalities I have seen in quite some time -- the way he manages to mix patterns and colors is incredible, IMO.
post #2 of 17
According to a source whom I don't recall, Trump buys his suits off the rack at Brioni in New York. Often, as you know, the combination of the maker's stock pattern and one's unique body is the principal problem. Will
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
Huh, that's interesting. Yes that makes sense that the suits are Brioni -- they look Brioni don't they? -- but I thought he would have gone Brioni Bespoke or MTM (does Brioni even do true bespoke?). Also, I've heard he wears Luciano Barbera as well. What is up with constantly wearing the dark navy suit, by the way? Wouldn't Trump look slimmed down in a nice subtle dark grey pinstripe?
post #4 of 17
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According to a source whom I don't recall, Trump buys his suits off the rack at Brioni in New York.
See, I've actually seen one of those BS "Its Good To Be..." or "The Fabulous Life Of..." on VH1 or E. that said he got his Brioni either MTM or Bespoke. Can't remember which, or which show it was. Of course they made a big deal on how much the stuff cost, rather than the quality or the workmanship that went into the clothing. Isn't that how those shows always are though? As an aside/hijack, this is the first reply post I've made in the Clothing section in probably 6 months or more, not counting the polls or the post asking when people joined.
post #5 of 17
Mike-- Why?
post #6 of 17
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Why?
A lot of things, mainly a lack of knowledge.  I had to laugh when I read j's explaination of his quote- I have no idea of what you guys are talking about when it comes to shoe lasts as well.  It doesn't stop there, there have been a menagerie of posts about extemely limited topics.  I mean, this is good, it means the forum is evolving and the members are getting to know each other.  However, on my limited budget and with my extremely limited knowledge, I have nothing to add.  I gain a lot of knowledge though, which is good, but usually have nothing to add. I really could care less sometimes as well.  I think it would be an interesting thing if someone did a "style forum anthropological study"- trace how some things affected the group.  Such as, how long did it take after someone explained about fused suits did it become a standard question to ask about every suit.  Or, after someone first mentioned about ticket pockets did it become a major selling point, as well as side vents.  I'm joking here so don't take offense you guys...   I've been here since the begining so I've seen a slew of topics come and go.  In fact, I think I may have been the tenth person to join or something.  As I was saying, I probably will care more about these things eventually, but on only a few hundred dollars income a month I'll stick to my 50 dollar at DSW shoes, and my thrift store suits, which I don't really wear too often in college. There are plenty of other channels here though, and I spend a lot of time in them.  I dig this place and I have learned a lot. ~Hijack complete.~
post #7 of 17
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Huh, that's interesting.  Yes that makes sense that the suits are Brioni -- they look Brioni don't they? -- but I thought he would have gone Brioni Bespoke or MTM (does Brioni even do true bespoke?).  Also, I've heard he wears Luciano Barbera as well. What is up with constantly wearing the dark navy suit, by the way?  Wouldn't Trump look slimmed down in a nice subtle dark grey pinstripe?
To the best of my knowledge Brioni only does bespoke at their store in Milan, even the Barberini store in Rome is MTM, not bepoke. koji
post #8 of 17
He says in his latest book he buys them off the rack (as though it's not obvious). The fit issues are multiple, but not too hard to figure out: 1. He's not very fit, which always hurts the most. His belly is big and he has no vee-taper. 2. He buys about two sizes too large, which combined with Brioni's notably tight chest dimensions means that in effect he is buying three sizes too large. The jackets have no waist 3. The sleeves are too long 4. Brioni's shoulder padding does not agree with his shoulder stance, so the shoulder line is rounded 5. He never buttons the jacket 6. He seems to have chosen the wrong model-- he'd be better served by a DB suit, IMHO, since that would give him more of an illusory sense of barrel chest, big lapels bursting with massive pecs, etc. Bruce Cutler looks good in DB suits, and he's no lightweight either. Other than that, they're perfect...
post #9 of 17
armscye is spot on here. Trump wears off the rack Brioni suits, why would he wear anything else. He is rich and items have no value to him, hence RTW. Trump is too busy and interested in making money than getting [time consuming] measurements for bespoke. lf l were Trump l wouldn't buy bespoke either, l would buy off-the rack. lf l were a common lawyer or something [and had something to prove], l would consider bespoke. lf l was a legend [like Trump] l would wear RTW because it is easy and not time consuming.
post #10 of 17
I think armscye is exactly right in his critique. What really bothers me most about the Donald's fit is the horrible way his jackets lie (or, more specifically, DON'T lie, around his neck. The collar choice on his shirts is bad for his face. Speaking of Trump's collars, though, did anyone see the collar on the shirt he was wearing last night? The bottom edge of the collar wasn't cut smooothly. It looked like it was serrated (sp?) or something, like a knife. Anyway--certainly interesting. Maybe Raj has inspired Trump to step it up. Montecristo
post #11 of 17
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Other than that, they're perfect...
LOL. In addition, his shirtsleeves are way too short, so you never see them peep out of the suit sleeves (which as mentioned are too long) thus, all you see is either sleeve or arm. And who wants to look at Trumps hairy arm? I don't understand him bragging about the cost of Brioni. Certainly it is not inexpensive, but there are more expensive RTW / MTM brands like Kiton and Caesar Attolini (purchased through Domenico Vacca). If he really wants to show off wealth, he should take a little shopping trip to the House of Bijan on Rodeo and then brag about his purchases. After all anyone can walk into any of the Brioni stores worldwide, but how many people walk into the "˜by appointment only' House of Bijan? Jon.
post #12 of 17
Trump is a lost cause, as far as I am concerned, in all ways. I was at school with his children, and I have never been impressed by any of the Trump family - their ethics, their behaviour and, heyhey, their dress. But, to each their own...
post #13 of 17
Dorian- That's not a fair statement to make. Just because you don't like the man, that doesn't mean you should rip the kids. They look pretty decent to me. I think most observers agree on this. They're not like those brats you saw on the documentary that focused on the spoiled brats of the rich. And, the kids are of different ages, so I don't think you could have gone to school with all three. I just hope its not the duaghter you're talking about. When I first heard she was a model, I thought it was just due to her name. But, she's actually quite striking.
post #14 of 17
Well, Christian, you are entitled to your opinion, of course. However, the facts are these: I attended Buckley in NYC with Donny (he would be 'Jr.' ), where I believe Eric was educated as well. As for Ivanka, I was friends with her during my mid-to-late teens, as over the years several of my friends dated her. Although I was not at the same school with Ivanka, the NYC private school system makes classmates out of friends at different schools - and, later on, New England boarding schools. It might be difficult to understand this last point without knowledge of the schools and the (often sickening) social scene. Frankly, I have far greater personal knowledge of the Trump children, and so I may have a better foundation when discussing them. On the other hand, Trump, Sr. just sets himself up - publicly - to be torn apart on various grounds. With regards to the documentary, again, I know many of the "spoiled brats" - some of whom are indeed that. At the same time, they are dealing with their reality, which is rather unfortunate in many ways. It is quite easy from the "outside looking in" to be critical, but problems of all sorts are no less real simply because they are different. In fact, they are often more threatening to one's sense of self and moral constitution. My comment about behaviour was directed mostly to Jr, although I have not been on friendly terms with him for eons. I know little about Eric, but Ivanka is a decent, nice and intelligent person. The comments on ethics and dress were made with Trump, Sr. in mind.
post #15 of 17
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Well, Christian, you are entitled to your opinion, of course. However, the facts are these: I attended Buckley in NYC with Donny (he would be 'Jr.' ), where I believe Eric was educated as well. As for Ivanka, I was friends with her during my mid-to-late teens, as over the years several of my friends dated her. Although I was not at the same school with Ivanka, the NYC private school system makes classmates out of friends at different schools - and, later on, New England boarding schools. It might be difficult to understand this last point without knowledge of the schools and the (often sickening) social scene. Frankly, I have far greater personal knowledge of the Trump children, and so I may have a better foundation when discussing them. On the other hand, Trump, Sr. just sets himself up - publicly - to be torn apart on various grounds. With regards to the documentary, again, I know many of the "spoiled brats" - some of whom are indeed that. At the same time, they are dealing with their reality, which is rather unfortunate in many ways. It is quite easy from the "outside looking in" to be critical, but problems of all sorts are no less real simply because they are different. In fact, they are often more threatening to one's sense of self and moral constitution. My comment about behaviour was directed mostly to Jr, although I have not been on friendly terms with him for eons. I know little about Eric, but Ivanka is a decent, nice and intelligent person. The comments on ethics and dress were made with Trump, Sr. in mind.
Whilst my perspective on North Eastern patricians is slightly skewed due to the fact that when I use the word summer as a verb I am referring to Sede Pilar, Argentina (slightly outside Gran Buenos Aires) and not the Hamptons...I do know that except for health problems, their realty (which is most peoples fantasy) is hardly "˜unfortunate'. Granted they have various problems that encumber every human being on earth, but they have the ability to sustain themselves with basic and not so basic living necessities for as long a period of time as are required to fix whatever particular problem they are dealing with, as needed. Life is a completely different proposition when looking up from street level to one of the Penthouses in the Mandarin Oriental on Columbus then when looking down from the Penthouse to the street. It's not the reality of the problems that are in question; it's their overall importance. Jon. P.S. What kind of Billionaire hosts his own prime time show? Oh, yeah. The one with the bankrupt company.
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