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but then if i so desired i would just choose a new screenname and come back, versaceman...

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Maybe. But J. actually bans IP addresses (it's happened before.) So yes, of course you could reregister and come back, but it's not *that* easy.

Just play nice. People here are usually pretty cool, even when they disagree on style/fashion. The other thing, I think, that got other members riled up, was your use of slang and profanity. I know you didn't mean anything by it, but it's just our convention to not.

i agree that this could be a cool place, versaceman, but i feel like i would benefit from more discussion on streetwear and less hate on d-homme.

@riss,

We've had one banned individual who's tried it 3 or 4 times.

I can give you J's spiel about how doing so in the state of Washington ( where the board is located for business purposes) subjects such an offender to a fine of $5000 per occurence, but I'd really rather you just quit trolling and flaming and stayed.

I think we've banned 3 people total in 30 months, so it's not like we're control freaks.

Just play by the rules- no flaming, no trolling. simple...

I don't think most people here dislike Dior Homme, it is fairly good quality and nicely cut. I think primarily people here are more interested in the quality of products more than whether they are edgy or in fashion. Generally I prefer products, color combinations, and other things that may not be as conservative as others here, but my general impression is that quality of construction and timelessness are perhaps the qualities most valued here.

i agree that this could be a cool place, versaceman, but i feel like i would benefit from more discussion on streetwear and less hate on d-homme.

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Well, it seems like at least half the guys here are in professional careers and therefore talk mainly about dress shirts/dress shoes/ties/suits/sportcoats. That's fine, because I'm going to be starting a career soon, and it's great to get all this information to prepare myself for building up a professional wardrobe.

I myself am 20. I don't wear suits more than once a year or so. I mostly wear 'designer clothing'. Paper Denim & Cloth, Dolce & Gabbana, Versace, Etro, Agnes B, Diesel, Joe's Jeans, Puma, etc. I do have some 'finer' articles of clothing from Canali, Brioni, Turnbull & Asser, Talbott, etc, but I don't have a great deal of occations to wear them on.

My point, I guess, is that it's good to have a new member who also appreciates 'designer' items. You, LA Guy, Labelking, and a few others can all have discussions about such items.

Hmm, I personally think discussion of designer items would be nice as well. I currently am in a professional career (managing director of a software company) and as such am wearing suits about half of the time, so discussion of formal clothing is good, but I do also enjoy discussing designer wear.

I don't see people hating on dior homme here. Don't know where you're getting that from, man. I can think of several users here off the top of my head who are very knowledgeable about streetwear and would probably be very likely to show a surprising amount of education, should you actually make a tactful attempt at discussion.

To add (from LA Guy),

Yes, you have to be super skinny to wear his designs, but that is only because most fat people are not particularly suited to wearing clothes based on straight lines.

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Did this not satisfy you? Since I missed the original discussion, and Dior Homme and other edgy designers are something I feel strongly about, now is the best time to engage, I suppose.

How Dior Homme fits the models is not how Dior Homme fits in real life anyway. I don't know what sizes the models are wearing, but I'm of a very similar build to them, and 36R in Dior Homme is still baggy on me. It has, as LA Guy rightfully pointed out, a straight, linear emphasis. It looks oversized and linear, and does not create the wrinkles and streetish appearance that it looks on Slimane's runway. They must make size 34R's for the models or something so that they look as tight-fitted as they do.

Like most of the other designer-enthused people here, I do appreciate and like Slimane's designs, but much prefer other designers, my favorites being Yohji Yamamoto, Jil Sander and Helmut Lang - all of which give me a much better fit with blazers and general wear than Dior Homme.

i agree and disagree with the fit issue. i have a decent amount of lang and some jil sander, but the dior is a tighter fit for me. i wear the 36R as well and i had it taken in to make it a little skinnier. when i was buying, i was initially looking at the lang 2-button, but that was a considerably looser fit for me. now, i do agree that for the shows they pin the model's clothing and take it in to a degree that you can't have off the rack. however you can have the stuff taken in if that's what you're into. i was in the streatwear department at Harrod's last year and one of the salesmen was wearing the tightest d-homme i'd ever seen in pics or in person. he just tweaked it to his own specifications, which is what any designer is doing in their shows and which is why no off the rack stuff ever quite fits like it fits the models.

Dior Homme has somewhat sporadic sizing.

Their 36 is rather large in my opinion, and thus either needs to be taken in or the other method is to order a 34.

Like Versace's 36 is fairly true to size.

I would have to agree about their sizing. I somehow found a Euro 56 Dior suit on ebay for a reasonably good deal, which translates to about a 42-44R in US sizing (perhaps closer to the 42) 44R is close to perfect on me, perhaps a bit roomy in the chest, but the Dior is a fairly tight fit, even though its ostensible size would be 2 inches larger than what I wear. It's also a medium grey color which is not particularly flattering on me, I may just flip it on ebay.

I've looked all over for D-Homme in 34R, and it seems to be impossible to acquire, and even more impossible to acquire at an affordable price. Considering the fact that Jil Sander fits me perfectly at 36R, might as well stick with what I love. Aside from a perfect fit, the quality (full-canvassed, superb stitching) on the Jil Sander surpasses Dior Homme's rigid feel.

i kind of like the d-homme's feel. in any interview you can find, slimane states that his emphasis was never on precious materials, but rather on form. in his interview on hintmag.com he says, "I am not at all into traditional technique...For me, it's so much about the way people wear clothes, the way they behave, not so much about the clothes themselves." his whole point is to be minimal, which negates the use of opulent, luxurious fabrics and is usually monochromatic. i've seen the equivalent of a 34R at colette in paris and at the d-homme boutique in milan. the sizing may be a little different stateside. jil sander is cool again now that she's back, but it suffered under milan vukmirovic. you can't knock dior for the fabrics though.

i kind of like the d-homme's feel. in any interview you can find, slimane states that his emphasis was never on precious materials, but rather on form. in his interview on hintmag.com he says, "I am not at all into traditional technique...For me, it's so much about the way people wear clothes, the way they behave, not so much about the clothes themselves."

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The quote is correct, but I disagree with your interpretation, based on other interviews I've read. What Hedi Slimane is interested in is designing clothes that make the wearer conform to a certain bearing (military) and way of moving (sort of powerful and fluid); in other words, having the clothes wear you, rather than the opposite, which is what a lot of other designers, especially streetwear designers, aspire to. To this effect, he uses techniques in cutting and manufacture formerly relegated to women's haute couture. His fabrics are not, in general, supposed to be flowing and conforming to the wearer's body, so one can hardly fault him for his deliberate use of fabrics that do not do so in the way we've come to think of "flowing". Still, I prefer the cutting and the styles of other designers with similar aesthetics. In particular, I like the cutting of Ennio Capasa at Costume National much, much more.

BTW, 34 and 36R? How skinny are you guys? I'm a pretty normal shaped guy, by any standard (sample sales are great for me - a 40R usually fits me well, regardless of the designer). But in Dior Homme, I usually need a 42R. The 40R fits, but are often super tight around the shoulders and chest (to the point that I'm afraid of bursting the seams), and slightly uncomfortable around the torso. Still, for skinny clothes, you can't beat Balenciaga though. I can barely fit into a 42R shirt, and a 44 fits me the way a Prada 41/16 does. It's crazy. I can go from a small (in Abboud and other American brands, including some Varvatos pieces (for which I'm either 48 or 50 Eu) to extra large in one jump.

I have a Dior Homme coat in size 38R, which is my usual size, and I think it fits me fairly well. I'm 5'10'', 145lbs, and 30 waist. The coat is the only Dior Homme item I have so maybe other items might differ. By the way, @riss if you really like Dior Homme go visit: http://groups.msn.com/diorhomme And I hope you don't bankrupt yourself buying Dior stuff.