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post #46 of 68
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Orange County? Dude, that's one of the richest, whitest, places in america. Its just a big suburb of LA. It was used as a joke in the movie, Swingers. There's a scene where somebody brings a gun out for a minor altercation. Everybody's shocked, since there's no need to bring it out. And, the guy says something like "you don't understand, i needed it where I grew up." And, then they answer "dude, you grew up in anaheim (city in orange county)." The big joke is that Anaheim is not a dangerous city, where you need to have a gun. Oh sure, Orange County has dangerous pockets, but its not really that bad at all. Ask people who live in really dangerous neighborhoods. Also, I totally disagree with the idea that you need a gun to protect yourself. Are your items so precious for somebody to get killed over. There's a difference between being a burgular and a killer. Even if you don't have a gun, why would a burgular need to kill you. Its just too much risk for him. We're talking a diff of a few years in prision vs. life or death penalty. And, if he's not afraid of this potential for death penalty, then he probably wouldn't be afraid of your gun.
you would need to be psychic to tell the difference between a burglar and a killer while the crime is being committed. also you would need to be a psychic, or a masterful psychologist, to guess whether a burglar has the rational capability to weigh the pros and cons of shooting someone. i seriously can't believe you actually wrote that. it implies that you are content to place your life in a criminal's hands. nobody 'needs' anything to protect themselves. you don't have to protect yourself at all. it's totally your option to lay there in bed with your head under the covers, waiting for the police to arrive.
post #47 of 68
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(christian @ 01 Oct. 2004, 4:04) Orange County? Dude, that's one of the richest, whitest, places in america. Its just a big suburb of LA. It was used as a joke in the movie, Swingers. There's a scene where somebody brings a gun out for a minor altercation. Everybody's shocked, since there's no need to bring it out. And, the guy says something like "you don't understand, i needed it where I grew up." And, then they answer "dude, you grew up in anaheim (city in orange county)." The big joke is that Anaheim is not a dangerous city, where you need to have a gun. Oh sure, Orange County has dangerous pockets, but its not really that bad at all. Ask people who live in really dangerous neighborhoods. Also, I totally disagree with the idea that you need a gun to protect yourself. Are your items so precious for somebody to get killed over. There's a difference between being a burgular and a killer. Even if you don't have a gun, why would a burgular need to kill you. Its just too much risk for him. We're talking a diff of a few years in prision vs. life or death penalty. And, if he's not afraid of this potential for death penalty, then he probably wouldn't be afraid of your gun.
you would need to be psychic to tell the difference between a burglar and a killer while the crime is being committed. also you would need to be a psychic, or a masterful psychologist, to guess whether a burglar has the rational capability to weigh the pros and cons of shooting someone. i seriously can't believe you actually wrote that. it implies that you are content to place your life in a criminal's hands. nobody 'needs' anything to protect themselves. you don't have to protect yourself at all. it's totally your option to lay there in bed with your head under the covers, waiting for the police to arrive.
But the difference is that the criminals usually don't wait for the police to arrive. You have a 50/50 chance of being dead if you just sit there and wait.
post #48 of 68
tokyo slim, actually no, statistically the chance of a burglar killing you, without you shooting him, is a hell of a lot less than 50%. statistically speaking, the chance that a burglar will come into your house and kill you is still less than a drunk driver killing you, and a fraction of the chance that you will kill yourself by over indulging in alchohol, tabaco or food. there are many better ways to protect your house and family, and yourself, without resorting to guns.
post #49 of 68
Crime that has touched me or my family: I've been chased by muggers through a subway. (in NYC) I've been attacked by three muggers, one with a knife, the other two with pieces of steel. I fought until I could get away, then ran. (in San Francisco) I watched a person being mugged at gunpoint (Columbia Campus, NYC) My brother in law was mugged at gunpoint last month taking a walk with his 15 year old daughter in his neighborhood. He was beaten badly and hospitalized. His daughter got away. (Denver) I've had my house broken into once. At night, a guy woke me up while crawling into my bedroom window. (Pomona, California) On our way to a restaurant, my wife and I took a shortcut through a parking lot. We stumbled across a group of about 10 people beating another person badly. (Boulder, CO) My wife's best friend was attacked by a man who tried to rape her. While he was out on bail awaiting trial, he came to her home at night, kicked down her door, and attacked her again, threatening to kill her. Her dog defended her and drove him away. (Boulder, CO) She was not a gun person. Didn't like guns. After this, she asked me to train her in the use of a shotgun, which I did. She kept the shotgun in her home until the guy was finally apprehended by the police, more than a month later. Bad things happen, even to people who aren't looking for trouble. I've got three good friends who are poliice officers. Listen to stories about what they see every day, and you might change your mind about your chances of being a victim of violent crime. Having a gun doesn't solve all problems, but having a gun gives you other options besides being a helpless victim.
post #50 of 68
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there are many better ways to protect your house and family, and yourself, without resorting to guns.
Ok, so a guy is breaking into your house. He is desperate, naturally crazy, on crack, PCP, sniffing glue, or whatever. He comes in through a window (most burglars do) and you hear the sound of glass breaking. You call the police, gather your wife and kids, and huddle in a closet. He has a gun. You don't. Your children are trying not to make noise, but your youngest is confused and scared - and starts crying. You desperately try and calm her down knowing that if you let him take what he wants, he will most likely leave you alone. The burglar hears the whimpering child, and enters the room. He is wild eyed and frantic. He was looking for an easy buck, but he didn't expect that anyone was home. Whipping open the closet door, he becomes enraged when he sees your family huddled in the dark with the telephone. He figures that since you have already seen him, and called the police, and he is desperately low on other options, he might as well kill you and rape your wife in front of your children. You've already ruined his chances of getting away with the "easy buck". He wants to teach you a lesson. He knows he has time. You know that the fancy silent alarm system you had installed is going off, and the dog is out in the back yard, and the police are on the way, but its only been about three minutes. How much longer will they take to get there? National average for PRIORITY 1 calls (life threatening crime in progress) nine to fifteen minutes. Dramatic? Yes. But is it out of the realm of possibility? Definitely not. If you think things like this don't happen, even in the most affluent neighborhood suburbs, you are seriously mistaken. If you think a firearm in the hands of someone with proper training and a regular family safety drill wouldn't help, you are delusional. If you have any other REALISTIC suggestions as to how to resolve the situation without violence, you are obviously smarter than the dozens of people who are killed this way every year. Every time you decide to be passive, you are putting your life in the hands of an unknown CRIMINAL. Thats why it's a 50/50 chance. What are you going to do, pepper spray him? Taze him? Reason with him? Would you entrust your life to something that may not even be effective considering the circumstances, and that you had to get within arms reach to use? Not believing in guns is fine, I'm not going to infringe on your rights to not own guns, but berating those that do as irresponsible is completely illogical and insensitive. Criminals have guns (in some cases, better than the ones the police have) So in the absense (or tardiness) of the law, you have the right to defend yourself, your family, and your property. Granted, in the hands of someone who is not properly trained, and a family that is unprepared for a crisis, a gun in the house is as dangerous as not having one at all, but better to be prepared and not need it, than to need it and be unprepared. Whew.
post #51 of 68
kai, pardon me for asking, but in any of these events that you have witnessed, did you draw your weapon and solve the problem? crimes that have affected my family and myself: I have been burgled several times, although not when I was home,and not for about 20 years. after having been burgled several times in my teens, I am very very careful about how my apartments look and are prepared, and I have not been burgled since. my brother lives in a very bad neighborhood of a very bad rust belt city. he has had his house broken into 3 times in the middle of the night. each time he has done the same thihng. start yelling, and stomp down the stairs. each time, by the time he has reached the ground floor, the burglers have run away. about 4 years ago my wife and I were walking down the street in Tel Aviv, where we lived at the time. At that time, I carried a telescoping baton, due to the possible risk or terror attacks.I could have gotten a firearm if I had wanted, but I considered the risks and figured that my biggest threat was from bombers (gun won't help) or from knifes (batton is good enough). we saw aman trying to drag a woman into a car. she was screaming and yelling and hitting him. I had my wife call the police and I crossed over the street to him and opened my baton. he took agood look at me and left the woman and took off. I also once lived in an apartment above a crazy person who was driving my wife crazy. he would yell through the ceiling, knock on the ceiling with a broom stick, yell at her from his windown when she left the building. the police couldn't help because he was really crazy and had never hurt anybody. I talked to him and he simply wasn't sane enough to fear anything, he though my wife was trying to kill him. I had 3 options: I could kill him (which frankly I though about a hell of a lot), I could fake an incedent and have him committed and destroy what ever little quality of life he had, or I could move. I moved. now, from the above sample, you would notice that nobody has been hurt. There were several cases when people could have been hurt, or killed, and nobody was. everybody made it home safely. slim, like I posted in another thread (armed robbery) I have 3 gas canisters - 2 one kilo jobs that look like fire extingushers in my house and one small one in my car that is designed no survive in temperature fluctuations. in the event somebody breaking into my house, when I and my family are there, I will flood the floor he is on with a strong cloud of gas, and then I will get myself and my family out of the house. I have prepared for this and dry run it. I also have a night stick and know how to use it. there are weak points in this plan, but they are statistically insignificant. I also choose my house to be easily defendable in the event of a home invasion, and I choose my town as being extremly, extremly low crime. to me, that is a plan. many of the posters here, who have guns in there houses have been very confused about exactly how they would defend themselves, and don't seem to be very well prepared. Aside from one or two, I imagine that they are allmuch more or a risk to themselves and families in the event of an emergency that to a "bad guy". I for one, don't want to see a nieghbor firing hire velocity rifle rounds at a burglar and having them come through my wall, nor do I want to worry about my kid playing at the house of somebody who keeps a handgun unlocked. I don't know if there is anybody here else who has been in combat. I have been in many firefights, and both shot at others and been shot at. I have seen a few people shot, up close, including friends. I do not believe that people treat their weapons with enough gravity.
post #52 of 68
I live in a particularly delectable part of nyc fondly known as 'Sugar Hill'. Last spring my apt. got burglarized and the ensuing conversation with a friend went thusly: "Wow...good thing you weren't there when it happened." "Yes (I eye my nunchucks and fondle my knife).....for them." koji
post #53 of 68
If I lived in the states I would buy an UZI and keep it fully loaded under my bed, a gun wouldn't do me much good if some crazy crackhead broke into my house in the middle of the night. Gotta love the American mentality of shooting first and asking questions later, makes me reminisce of the good old days back in the eighteenth century when it was every man for himself...
post #54 of 68
umm no matter how crazy a crackhead is, a couple rounds in the chest from high caliber hollowpoint ammo should slow him down a bit.
post #55 of 68
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kai, pardon me for asking, but in any of these events that you have witnessed, did you draw your weapon and solve the problem?
No. I've never drawn a gun on anyone. The only one of these instances where I was armed was the situation where my wife and I stumbled across the gang beating. We backed off, and called the police on her cell phone. I am not saying that shooting somebody would necessarily be the best option under any of these circumstances. If I was in a bank or store that was being robbed, I would likely just do as I was told, and not escalate the situation. However, if a situation becomes life threatening, a gun gives me the ability to defend myself if that becomes necessary. If a crime is being committed in my home, however, that's a different story. I will likely just shoot the intruder. And no, I don't have to worry about going to jail for killing an intruder, as I live in Colorado. The point of my post is that anyone (even middle class white guys who live boring lives) can be the victim of violent crime. I so far have been lucky.
post #56 of 68
Newest addition to my arsenal: I've wanted to add a 7.62mm rifle to my collection for some time, the prices on these have come down quite a bit since the ban has lifted.
post #57 of 68
You need one of these, now: Or: With: Study that last picture carefully - how's that for a concealed weapon?
post #58 of 68
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Are you going to get a John Varvatos distressed waxed leather sling for that AK, or go with the Che-esque Gucci canvas / web?
post #59 of 68
I do not now, nor have I ever owned a gun or plan to in the future. I do however believe in a person's right to arm themselves if they so choose. What I do not believe in is automatic weapons of any kind being in the hands of anyone but law enforcement/ military. There is no valid reason for a private citizen to own one of these, and invariably some of them will end up in the wrong hands, in the commision of a violent crime of one sort or another. The other thing that bugs me is that I believe there are still states (perhaps many...?) where you can go into a gun store and walk out with a handgun in the same day. What's the big deal if you have to wait a few days so that a complete backround check can be done to determine if you (or someone who might someday confront you or a loved one) have a felonious past. To me this is illogical thinking and puts the public at unneccesary risk. I am NOT the NRA.
post #60 of 68
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What I do not believe in is automatic weapons of any kind being in the hands of anyone but law enforcement/ military. There is no valid reason for a private citizen to own one of these, and invariably some of them will end up in the wrong hands, in the commision of a violent crime of one sort or another.
Just recently this has come up in the press due to the sunset of some Federal gun regulations. In the U.S., the ownership of automatic weapons has been tightly regulated and restricted at the federal level since 1934. I understand that the wait period for an automatic firearm is on the order of three to four months while the FBI and BATFE run background checks. Also, there has only been one violent crime commited with a legally, privately owned automatic weapon since 1934, and apparently, a police officer committed it. Surprised me, certainly. Regards, Huntsman
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