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post #226 of 258
For a more honest review, why not have people send the ties back after they're done seeing them? Seems like more and more companies are giving free products in exchange for people "reviewing" them on message boards, and I'm not sure it encourages the most honest opinions.
post #227 of 258

I respect that. I'm a die-hard L'Ville fan but I'm not delusional. That's University of Kentucky's schtick.

post #228 of 258

DWW, back to wag his finger...

post #229 of 258
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

For a more honest review, why not have people send the ties back after they're done seeing them? Seems like more and more companies are giving free products in exchange for people "reviewing" them on message boards, and I'm not sure it encourages the most objective opinions.


Mostly because that's a lot of hassle and I don't want all ten (I'm probably keeping two). If the reviews are biased, that's no skin off my back. That being said, at that price point, there really isn't much to say: is this worth $30, yes or no? Also people like free ties, so it'd be nice to give 8 people something for free. It was my idea that they post about it here, again, not so much for Difou (though the guy is really polite, even for a Korean, which I like, and helping him out was definitely a consideration) but because the purpose of the thread is to discover new brands, and I do think that Difou is a good option for people just starting out and who don't feel like trawling through eBay.

 

To his credit, the ten were given to me to take pictures for his IG, not for me to post on mine (though I'll wear them when I wear them)

post #230 of 258
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Mostly because that's a lot of hassle and I don't want all ten (I'm probably keeping two). If the reviews are biased, that's no skin off my back. That being said, at that price point, there really isn't much to say: is this worth $30, yes or no? Also people like free ties, so it'd be nice to give 8 people something for free.

To his credit, the ten were given to me to take pictures for his IG, not for me to post on mine (though I'll wear them

I don't think it would be too much hassle. The original manufacturer would just include a pre-paid shipping label (or email it). It's what I do with the companies that sometimes ask for my opinion. Companies seem perfectly fine with including a return label. I think some even appreciate it.

I don't think the forum is better with companies giving people free products to post reviews. Getting a free item biases people's opinions.
post #231 of 258
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Yeah. Except that again, these aren't from Difou. They are from me. They are my ties, given to me, to take pictures of. Not for my IG but for his (and if you go to his Instagram, you'll see he'd benefit from some decent pictures). I've already purchased a couple ties from them and reviewed it (the review amounting to "Yeah, these are a good deal at $30 and free shipping"). Darkside purchased one and offered a similar endorsement. If it'll make you feel better, I'll merely suggest they post about it rather than make it a condition.

 

Edit: Done.

post #232 of 258

When I do a review I always give companies the option to get their items back and I always disclose when they decline that offer. It has never stopped me from making negative comments when I think it is warranted. Ever. I am not, not will I ever be, a shill. I think most people on the forum are the same. We do it for the love of writing about clothing. 

post #233 of 258
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When I do a review I always give companies the option to get their items back and I always disclose when they decline that offer. It has never stopped me from making negative comments when I think it is warranted. Ever. I am not, not will I ever be, a shill. I think most people on the forum are the same. We do it for the love of writing about clothing. 

That may or may not be true, but every shill I've talked to gives the same excuse. I think they believe it, but they don't understand their own subjective biases and how they're affected by free products.

Anyway, I don't know anything about difou or his/ her arrangement with Claghorn. I was only suggesting that people return products they review, as this sort of practice seems more and more prevalent on message boards and I think it's not the healthiest thing for discussions.
post #234 of 258
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That may or may not be true, but every shill I've talked to gives the same excuse. I think they believe it, but they don't understand their own subjective biases and how they're affected by free products.

 

That's a very deterministic thing to say. You have obviously made your mind up and will not change no matter what. However, there are things you really don't understand. That's fine.

post #235 of 258
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Eh, psych research suggests he's quite right (which isn't to say there aren't exceptions). Regardless, with the removal of the condition, it seems like there is no reason to continue with this line of discussion?

post #236 of 258
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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post

When I do a review I always give companies the option to get their items back and I always disclose when they decline that offer. It has never stopped me from making negative comments when I think it is warranted. Ever. I am not, not will I ever be, a shill. I think most people on the forum are the same. We do it for the love of writing about clothing. 

That may or may not be true, but every shill I've talked to gives the same excuse. I think they believe it, but they don't understand their own subjective biases and how they're affected by free products.

Anyway, I don't know anything about difou or his/ her arrangement with Claghorn. I was only suggesting that people return products they review, as this sort of practice seems more and more prevalent on message boards and I think it's not the healthiest thing for discussions.

I suspect anyone willing to sell out their principles for a free $30 tie will betray their spinelessness in many other ways.
post #237 of 258
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post #238 of 258

I don't think I am being understood. What I'm saying is that if receiving something for "free" is a factor for a reader of a review that's fine. That's why I disclose it. I feel like I have a methodology that minimizes bias, but if someone disagrees then they know exactly whether I have received something in a way that might color my opinion. I try to be as transparent as possible and the decision is up to the reader.

post #239 of 258
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...but they don't understand their own subjective biases and how they're affected by free products.
Nail. Hit on head.

There's a fundamental difference between spending your own money on something and getting it for free; I don't see how it can not affect one's perspective. Or, if someone really has no difference in opinion with the two situations, then I'm not sure I trust their judgement anyway.
post #240 of 258
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Since we aren't dropping it, a couple of interesting things

 

a) the higher the value of gifts received from pharma reps, the more vociferously doctors claim that they have no effect on their prescribing (data clearly show that pharma gifts do affect prescribing, largely due to increased awareness, familiarity, and ease of recall)

b) Some people are influenced the other way and give harsher reviews to things given for free as a reaction to anticipated scrutiny.

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