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post #3511 of 4310
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Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

 I get the arguments about the always online but come on people...with very few exceptions, if you are buying a $500 system you should be able to afford an internet connection.

 

I don't think you get the arguments...

post #3512 of 4310
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Sony seems to be much more nimble this go around than MS, that much is obvious. The pricing strategy in particular was a masterstroke - although I'd imagine a similar system loadout (with eye, etc) will come close to Xbox1's base price.

They are "loaded" similarly. Sony didn't even skimp on the HDD to meet $399 as it also comes with 500 gigs. In reality the only difference is MS is tossing in their camera system Kinnect while Sony is making theirs optional. Time will tell if this is a good strategy or not, but I would wager most gamers prefer being able to save the extra $100.

Frankly even $399 is going to be a hard sell considering where the trends of the industry today. MS's pricing choice of $499 just doesn't seem in line with market reality. Certainly not if they expect to gain a real foot hold with non-gamers in their play for the living room.

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I'm still not convinced Sony has done enough to address its wonky online interface and experience - and as I said before, this will be the feature(s) that make or break the race in the long run. The leaked video of some of the features was ok but a few years behind where the 360 is today. With regards to exclusive content, its a draw - I'd probably feel differently if FF15 was an Sony exclusive.

What leaked video are you referring too?

This was shown during Sony's E3 conference and I don't really see how anyone can say Sony will be a few years behind Xbox LIVE.



Direct link as embed is giving me problems: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmoZAPDV3ew&t=161m10s

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All the gripe over always online and DRM is pretty funny to me. DRM has already happened in PC land where all the "big" games are now distributed online. This will be the future of consoles as well and will be even more relevant when the cloud really kicks in. I get the arguments about the always online but come on people...with very few exceptions, if you are buying a $500 system you should be able to afford an internet connection.

The problem always centered around the fact that MS plans to implement digital download style DRM to games bought on physical media. It's about expectations. When a person buys a physical item they expect to be able to sell, trade or give it away. If MS wanted to treat their console as a digital download device, they should have gone all in. Digital only. Adding a physical drive and placing these restrictions on media was a mistake and allowed for Sony to score a massive PR win for coming in and basically announcing that the PS4 will be business as usual.

EDIT: This is coming from someone who has no issue buying digital, depending on the platform. I own a number of iOS games and have a STEAM account. I'm also fine with buying and renting digital movies via AMAZON's service. I make no bones about my "ownership" privileges of these files and the reality of what could happen if any of these platforms are suddenly shut down one day.
post #3513 of 4310
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Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

Sony seems to be much more nimble this go around than MS, that much is obvious. The pricing strategy in particular was a masterstroke - although I'd imagine a similar system loadout (with eye, etc) will come close to Xbox1's base price. I'm still not convinced Sony has done enough to address its wonky online interface and experience - and as I said before, this will be the feature(s) that make or break the race in the long run. The leaked video of some of the features was ok but a few years behind where the 360 is today. With regards to exclusive content, its a draw - I'd probably feel differently if FF15 was an Sony exclusive.

All the gripe over always online and DRM is pretty funny to me. DRM has already happened in PC land where all the "big" games are now distributed online. This will be the future of consoles as well and will be even more relevant when the cloud really kicks in. I get the arguments about the always online but come on people...with very few exceptions, if you are buying a $500 system you should be able to afford an internet connection.


What if your internet is out? What if you want to take it on vacation?
post #3514 of 4310
I meant to comment on that. Statistics have shown that up to 40% of Xbox 360 owners never went online. That's a sizable chunk of the user base. Never-mind the fact that you are essentially cutting out many places around the world that don't have the broadband infrastructure we do.

That's not to say I don't understand the point. It seems silly to me to spend so much on a device and not have the ability to use what is essentially a major feature set of it. Yet, that's me. Others apparently have no problem doing so.
post #3515 of 4310
Up to 40%, that seems absurd. Where did you find that stat?

As far as the interface video is concerned - check destructoid or kotayu. It's a super cheezy video.

The future for consoles (as it has been with music and increasingly movies) is DRM. Why people see this as a major stink is beyond me.

Take it on vacation? Who plays video games on vacation? Jesus.
post #3516 of 4310
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Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

Up to 40%, that seems absurd. Where did you find that stat?

As far as the interface video is concerned - check destructoid or kotayu. It's a super cheezy video.

The future for consoles (as it has been with music and increasingly movies) is DRM. Why people see this as a major stink is beyond me.

Take it on vacation? Who plays video games on vacation? Jesus.

So sorry to disappoint you, but I (and I suspect many others) have spent the down time on a few vacations/getaways gaming.
post #3517 of 4310
AND IT WAS A BLAST!
post #3518 of 4310
Take off the S from HTTPS to get the video embed to work, at least that's what fixes it for me.
post #3519 of 4310
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Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

Up to 40%, that seems absurd. Where did you find that stat?

As far as the interface video is concerned - check destructoid or kotayu. It's a super cheezy video.

The future for consoles (as it has been with music and increasingly movies) is DRM. Why people see this as a major stink is beyond me.

Take it on vacation? Who plays video games on vacation? Jesus.

When I was in High School and at some points in College I'd take whatever console I was gaming on at the time to relative's houses during holiday trips to pass the time. Most of them STILL don't have broadband internet.

I don't know a single gamer, casual or hardcore, who views the XBONE in a positive light at this point. Most of the internet seems to agree as well.

Also, this seems like a nice, unbiased breakdown comparison of the two systems:

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post #3520 of 4310
Which are you buying white?
post #3521 of 4310
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Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

Up to 40%, that seems absurd. Where did you find that stat?

Ok, I may have had my numbers crossed here. It looks like the 40% is linked to Xbox 360 owners who pay for Xbox Live Gold. In terms of users not connected to the internet it's closer to 27% world wide (source). I reached out to a friend of mine who I believe had once tracked down numbers specific to the USA and will share the info if he gets back to me with it.
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Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

As far as the interface video is concerned - check destructoid or kotayu. It's a super cheezy video.

I did some Googling for recent articles on the subject from both sources to pull up anything that from E3. I found this and this. Am I missing something here? The Kotaku article shows the same exact video I linked to above in my comment you were replying to. laugh.gif

Not trying to start a big argument here, but I'm not sure where you are coming from. What features is Sony lacking that puts them a few years behind the current implementation of Xbox LIVE on the 360 or even what MS has shown for Xbone? Everything is pointing towards them having a well developed UI that's feature comparable to what MS is doing with social/online.
Edited by Jr Mouse - 6/12/13 at 10:59am
post #3522 of 4310
Sorry I thought I replied earlier those are the same video I was referring to.

We'll obviously have to wait and see - at this point I'd say that MS has proven to be more much adapt at getting the online and social aspects right as opposed to Sony who is playing catch up. I mean the UI interface for PS3 is an unmitigated disaster and while they seem to have come a long way if we are to believe the 4 minute video, I think the chips are not in their favor.

I'm buying both systems and will provide my own review a few months after launch.

I will say, the thing that pisses me off more than anything is lack of backwards capability. I mean WTF.
post #3523 of 4310
Kingdom Hearts 3 is not a PS4 exclusive. Will launch on the Xbone too.
post #3524 of 4310
So will Final Fantasy 15
post #3525 of 4310
BTW - I think the two games I'm most excited about coming out of e3 are The Division and TitanFall. The Witcher 3 also looks promising.
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