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post #3481 of 4261
Xbox 1 still looks like the console to beat. PS4 looks wonky and their online content / interface is terrible. At the end of the day most console gamers are casual gamers and they want to be able to get online quickly and play with friends.
post #3482 of 4261
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Originally Posted by whnay. View Post

Xbox 1 still looks like the console to beat. PS4 looks wonky and their online content / interface is terrible. At the end of the day most console gamers are casual gamers and they want to be able to get online quickly and play with friends.

Honest question, but did you actually watch the PS4 conference? The new UI looks nice and they are making a big push for social and sharing. A large portion of the conference was about online gaming and how they are planning to make it easy to connect with friends for game sessions.

If follow through with this, then I see little reason to believe (so far) MS LIVE will be ahead of them in this area anymore.
Edited by Jr Mouse - 6/6/13 at 12:12pm
post #3483 of 4261
I did, the new UI does look nice but that doesn't mean its as useful as it seems to be.
post #3484 of 4261
Sure it doesn't mean the finished product will be a useful as what they demonstrated at the press confrence, but the original claim was they showed off a wonky/terrible interface and online system. I completely disagree.
post #3485 of 4261
A few things to add:

Xbox has a clear controller advantage

Xbox has built a UI that is proven and that an entire generation of gamers have been playing on - links to friends, online content, tv, internet, etc

Buying patterns in the next cycle will be as much about social aspects as they will be about graphical prowess and exclusive content:

  • Massive head start and edge on social for Xbox
  • Graphical edge to Sony although it remains to be seen how big of a difference this really is...
  • Exclusive game content at this point seems about even with a possible edge to Sony because of Naughty Dog
post #3486 of 4261
Prediction: Xbox One will wipe the floor with PS4.

The PS4 may have a slight edge technologically, but it won't matter. As of the moment, most multi-platform games are developed natively for the Xbox 360, then ported to the PS3. There is no reason to believe this trend will change during the transition to the new consoles. It's what the developers are used to. Hence, the extra computing power in the PS4 won't really come into play--unless the PS4 can pull ahead in other fronts and compel development teams to re-center.

However, from user interface, social networking, and media center perspectives, Microsoft has a huge advantage over Sony. Those are all arenas in which Microsoft is already an expert, if not a leader. Few companies are as well-positioned as Microsoft to link together all the various computing devices we currently use on a day-to-day basis and put the cloud to work.

Also, Playstation controllers are the stupidest controllers ever designed. Who the fuck decided to replace the A/B/X/Y buttons, which have sufficed for everyone else since Super Nintendo, with fucking shapes?

"How do I reload?"
"Press triangle, press triangle!!!"
Edited by mafoofan - 6/6/13 at 2:46pm
post #3487 of 4261
I agree Foo - its just a matter of time for Sony. The fact is, this might be Microsoft's last run as well. Once Google figures out Fiber the next frontier is home entertainment including gaming.
post #3488 of 4261
Yes, I would not be surprised if this generation of consoles is the last. Even now, it's hard to fathom why we even need them. Everyone's got a computer at home at least as powerful. Resources would be better spent linking existing computing power to our televisions. We stick to consoles out of habit, that's all. Well, that's not a good enough reason for them to survive.
post #3489 of 4261
Agree--the XBox 1 might have a boatload of problems, but it's almost certainly going to wipe the floor with Sony.

Foo, the *type* of computing power between a PC and a gaming system is very different. A gaming system, whether XBox, PS, or even a gaming PC, relies on its video card, which is optimized for massively parallel calculations, which is pretty different from the CPU--its why they are different parts.

FWIW, I agree that in the future, perhaps the near future, consoles will become mostly redundant. As whnay said, with the proliferation of cheap bandwidth, it will be cheaper to handle these massively parallel calculations in a datacenter somewhere and send the results to your device. A couple of companies have already tried this actually, but haven't been able to overcome the latency barrier very well.

Also--and we're already seeing this--as mobile device increase in power, they get to a "good enough" state where people are less willing to pay $400+ for a dedicated device for playing games. This is especially true for casual gamers.
post #3490 of 4261
Interesting observations aravenel. I think what people are figuring out is that the TV really does matter and to a certain extent - to control the TV is to control home entertainment. Linking TV content to mobiles and tablets and gaming consoles is what Microsoft is attempting to do but in the end Google will out resource and possibly outsmart them. You can see it happening in mobile, the iphone is slowly loosing its grip. They are definitely taking the back door approach - conquer internet search, browsing, email, social, mobile, laptop, internet connection....then onto home entertainment devices...
post #3491 of 4261
Aravenel, I understand how video cards work. However, no console will ever keep pace with the advancement of graphics processing in average-cost PCs, even if they start out ahead. Also, if I took the money I'd normally sink into a $400 console, and add that onto what I'd pay for an average, new PC, I could easily outperform whatever Sony and Microsoft put out there. Right now. Not next year, not the year after--right now.
post #3492 of 4261
Whnay., it's not so much that the TV "matters" and more that computing is becoming more and more diffuse. Eventually, we will have zero need for a PC. As computing power and bandwidth continue to increase and get cheaper, every device will be a computer of sorts. It's already happened to our phones. Televisions are clearly going that direction, too--but they are not unique in that regard. Everything will be connected.
post #3493 of 4261
What I'm saying is that the TV will still be the center of our home entertainment, that's not going away anytime soon. I could see a time in the near future where PCs and possibly laptops are replaced by tablets and/or cellphones.
post #3494 of 4261
Well, did TVs ever stop being the center of home entertainment? Maybe that goes to the heart of our disagreement. To my mind, it's always been that way and hasn't changed.

I think it is near impossible to fathom how things will be 15-20 years from now, honestly. With computing power growing and spreading so rapidly, our daily lives could be so profoundly different from the way they are today that no predictions are sensible. Will we even have anything like what we call a "TV" today? Maybe not. Google Glass is clunky, but it points in an intriguing direction. Imagine a graphical interface seamlessly laid over your eyes. For people with that sort of technology, any device with a "screen" would be absurdly antique.
post #3495 of 4261
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Aravenel, I understand how video cards work. However, no console will ever keep pace with the advancement of graphics processing in average-cost PCs, even if they start out ahead. Also, if I took the money I'd normally sink into a $400 console, and add that onto what I'd pay for an average, new PC, I could easily outperform whatever Sony and Microsoft put out there. Right now. Not next year, not the year after--right now.

Oh, absolutely--consoles are never the cutting edge of performance, and quickly fall behind. The XBox 360 is using basically ancient technology. The reason they are still able to provide decent performance over their lifetime is that because it is a uniform hardware base, developers can wring every ounce of performance out of it--with PCs, there are too many different combinations to do this.

However, the *average* PC right now does not have more graphics power--which is the primary bottleneck--than the new XBox or PS. You could pop a $150 video card in one and outperform it, but stock, most desktop PCs have very little graphics ability because they don't need it for their common tasks. Many new phones actually have more GPU horsepower than a lot of average PCs. This is only speaking for the types of PCs in offices and sold at Office Max and such--its trivial to build a PC with a hell of a lot of GPU horsepower, it's just that average office/internet use doesnt' require that, so it's rarely included out of the box.

To your point however, predicting the future is a dangerous game, and we're all like to be wrong.
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