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Random fashion thoughts - Part II (A New Hope) - Page 665post #9962 of 171675/22/16 at 5:23pmThread StarterQuote:Originally Posted by dieworkwear
Wearing Romanian made shoes right now, concindentally.
There's something "special" about Italian tailoring and English shoemaking though. Whether companies are actually pulling the wool over consumers' eyes and having things made elsewhere is another story, but on face value -- buying things connected to a tradition and history makes an object more than its immediate self. It's the same reason why antique and art collectors will pay a premium for provenance. A 19th century pen might be just a 19th century pen, but if it's the pen Abraham Lincoln used to sign the Emancipation Proclamation, it suddenly becomes something more. Or, less grandiose, a painting may gain value depending on who were the previous owners.
For certain products, made-in-Italy and made-in-UK isn't just country-of-origin hype, it's about legitimate issues concerning provenance. Arguments about champagne and burgundy wine, blah blah blah.
I have absolutely no idea about this Japanese overdye process, but if you take the extreme -- that it's no different from double-dip overdye process here -- then this just becomes fetisization (maybe even bordering on Orientalism). If you're buying it literally because a Japanese person did it, rather than a white person, that gets into really weird socio-political issues.
Again, if it's indeed something different and it's not just some dude doing a Japanese version of RIT dye, then by all means -- buy away.
Well, by the same token, you can argue that there is something "special", historically, about Chinese silks (I don't know why that hasn't been marketed to hell, incidentally), or about Japanese indigo or Kyoto black dyeing. Calling one thing historically special, and the other, fetishization and Orientalism, seems to me to be an artificial distinction.
I think that some things that might rightfully have been "hype" in their time, looks much nicer in the dimmed lights of history. "Italian tailoring", for example, was not always as fetishized as it is today. That was the concerted work of Italian Mad Men types.
On a related note: is there anything particularly more damaging about imagining an indigo garbed Japanese dude with a topknot dipping something endless times and then having a tea than there is about imagining an Italian tailor working at his sartoria, and then having an espresso while watching the sun set over the Amalfi Coast?post #9963 of 171675/22/16 at 5:25pmThread Starterpost #9964 of 171675/22/16 at 5:37pmQuote:Originally Posted by LA Guy
On a related note: is there anything particularly more damaging about imagining an indigo garbed Japanese dude with a topknot dipping something endless times and then having a tea than there is about imagining an Italian tailor working at his sartoria, and then having an espresso while watching the sun set over the Amalfi Coast?
Maybe this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism_(book)?post #9965 of 171675/22/16 at 5:53pmThread Starterpost #9966 of 171675/22/16 at 6:16pmQuote:
Probably shouldn't have compared it to RIT dye. What I mean is, whether it's different from the professional processes offered here. I have no idea about the history of black dyes in Kyoto. Maybe there's some crazy, amazing history behind it. If so, then maybe this is actually great?post #9967 of 171675/22/16 at 6:45pmThread StarterQuote:Originally Posted by dieworkwear
Probably shouldn't have compared it to RIT dye. What I mean is, whether it's different from the professional processes offered here. I have no idea about the history of black dyes in Kyoto. Maybe there's some crazy, amazing history behind it. If so, then maybe this is actually great?
So, yes, there is a history to "Kyoto black", though I have no idea how much of it is a modern, manufactured, narrative, since I really don't know much about Japanese culture or Japanese textile history.
There are dye houses in California that offer similar "blackest black" treatments, purportedly using the same techniques.
Both are very deep blacks. though I've never compared them side-by-side, so I'm not really qualified to comment.
I'm not sure that "whether it's different from the professional processe offered here" is really a great criterion for deciding on the merits. If we are going to determine where things ought to be made using a combination of cost effectiveness and technical competence, then most things should be made in China.
Wait a minute...post #9968 of 171675/22/16 at 7:46pmpost #9969 of 171675/22/16 at 11:56pmpost #9970 of 171675/23/16 at 12:05ampost #9971 of 171675/23/16 at 2:50ampost #9972 of 171675/23/16 at 3:08ampost #9973 of 171675/23/16 at 6:43amQuote:
Time to move everything to a new "is it worth it to send things to Japan to dye them black" thread?Quote:Originally Posted by LA Guy
+1. Approximately zero % of trousers have as much character as my ultra-slubby 50% sugarcane SE X SC 06s..
Warning: lap shot for textural interest! (Click to show)post #9974 of 171675/23/16 at 7:31amIs the selling market over saturated? Paradox of choice? Even though it's seemingly consolidated in grilled, I notice lots of stuff that's cool just sitting there unsold; is grilled basically like Pinterest but with a nominal ability to buy? Everyone is just collecting likes on their stuff for sale, fewer transactions. I wonder if the grilled model of having stuff for sale without a time limit on the sale decreases purchases, all the would be ballers don't actually buy because there's no time pressure.
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