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What do you mean by symmetry? As in the analogy of Vetements is to ugly/experiment as math rock is to rock?

 

While I agree that "classical taste" is irrelevant, there will always be conservative taste in art that does not reference the classical, I believe most of this forum are conservative in taste as most fashion hobbyists should be, as I believe that I shouldn't wear ugly and overpriced clothes to help some designer make a point while I look like shit myself. And in my limited recollection of post 1900s art, I can't think of anything, no matter how deliberately ugly it seemed, that displayed no craft, and nothing that revealed the piece as a product of skill and thought, as compared to a Titanic vetements shirt, which I could buy from a gift shop.

 

In my personal opinion I think everyone should be be more conservative in artistic taste, especially in fashion, so trends like vetements can't steal our money.

 

Edit: And also, the type of ugly Vetements tries to go for, from my impression, is not aesthetically ugly, but ugly in reference to lowbrow, as in the slipknot and DHL shirt. I would be more understanding if they were actual artists instead of fashion designers, but since they are designers and are selling ready to wear, and fashion is much more practical than gallery art, I think it's atrocious that people are paying $500 for a DHL shirt.

 

Edit edit: I'm trying to approach this from your perspective. Not all that is avant-garde is necessarily good. Most of it is terrible.


Edited by accordion - 5/9/16 at 2:38pm
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Speaking of international self-sovereigns:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/02/further-future-festival-burning-man-tech-elite-eric-schmidt

This sounds like the worst party or the wierdest conference of all time.  Yes, complaing that Burning Man has become overly commercialized is lame, lost its "original meaning", etc,, is lame, but this is much, much, lamer.

I wonder if Further future has a lesbian orgy tent.

Wow, FF looks pretty awful. The lineup sounded good though.

Im going to my first burn this year.
Need some recommendations for cheap desert wizard gear. Where to look/kop for that damir doma fw10 / sith lord vibe ?
post #9768 of 13790
MyHabit is closing/merging with Amazon Fashion.
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What do you mean by symmetry? As in the analogy of Vetements is to ugly/experiment as math rock is to rock? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

While I agree that "classical taste" is irrelevant, there will always be conservative taste in art that does not reference the classical, I believe most of this forum are conservative in taste as most fashion hobbyists should be, as I believe that I shouldn't wear ugly and overpriced clothes to help some designer make a point while I look like shit myself. And in my limited recollection of post 1900s art, I can't think of anything, no matter how deliberately ugly it seemed, that displayed no craft, nothing that said the piece was the product of skill and thought, as compared to a Titanic vetements shirt, which I could buy from a gift shop.

In my personal opinion I think everyone should be be more conservative in artistic taste, especially in fashion, so trends like vetements can't steal our money.

Edit: And also, the type of ugly Vetements tries to go for, from my impression, is not aesthetically ugly, but ugly in reference to lowbrow, as in the slipknot and DHL shirt. I would be more understanding if they were actual artists instead of fashion designers, but since they are designers and are selling ready to wear, I think it's atrocious that people are paying $500 for a DHL shirt.

The guy makes the argument here:
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It’s ugly clothing. And I completely understand that taste is subjective and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but there are certain objective underpinnings that can’t be denied. You’ve said that weird, exaggerated cuts show that someone is “into ​*proper*​ fashion” but human beings are instinctively attracted to symmetry and proportion. Classical architecture is built upon the same geometric principles that make it instinctively appealing.

Vetements opts for forced ugliness simply to set itself apart from the crowd. It relies on repulsing mainstream tastes to create a feeling of exclusivity, an illusion that ordinary people “don’t get it.” And it’s not that people don’t get it, it’s just ugly clothing. It’s not avant-garde, because it’s reactionary and contrarian and ultimately defined by the mainstream. Can you honestly say, hand on heart, that the brand’s clothing looks good to you?

Vetements is obviously a reaction to things before it, but that's also how fashion works. It's oversized, takes itself less seriously, more focused on everyday, streetwear pieces, etc. It's not about skinny fits, austere colors, conceptual clothes, etc. All the things that felt very serious and high-minded before is now being butted up against with sort of low brow, streetwear, playfulness.

That's obviously not as "intellectually" interesting, but it's also kind of the right "comment" at the right time.

As for conservative vs avant garde taste, conservative designs are often just a relative function of the avant garde. On the SWD side of this forum, people love EG and RO. On the CM side, those would be considered wwwaaayyyyy left field (seriously, even an EG Bedford jacket over there would freak people out). Once the avant garde stuff has been around for a while, it becomes conservative as the designs trickle to high street shops.
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Ok, I'm not as conservative as Aleks, I don't believe good fashion is just symmetry and proportions. I'd like to see a unified vision and a strong aesthetic, preferably original. Vetements steals from low fashion for high fashion, that's not new nor is it done in an interesting way. High fashion has often been boring and stale, but it takes more than merely commenting on that to break the trend or be worthy of avant-garde.

 

I know nothing about CM so I guess I'm casually conservative. And as I've mentioned, I think that ready-to-wear fashion is very practical as in everyone should think about what they're getting for the money they pay, and Vetements shits on that. I'm not here to buy clothes that may or not be important years down the line. I'm not buying a shirt I can get at a gift shop with no difference in design. I understand people want anything that defies the status quo and is seen as artistically important, but I know it's not that I won't consider it. My opinion.

 

edit: And also, what is more serious than buying clothes for their conceptual value rather than for how they look? There's nothing new or interesting here.

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Does anyone have any recs for a lightweight windbreaker, plenty of pockets, slimfitting, with a packable hood? Need something for a summer vacation
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Does anyone have any recs for a lightweight windbreaker, plenty of pockets, slimfitting, with a packable hood? Need something for a summer vacation


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Wow, FF looks pretty awful. The lineup sounded good though.



Im going to my first burn this year.

Need some recommendations for cheap desert wizard gear. Where to look/kop for that damir doma fw10 / sith lord vibe ?

 



If looking for "really expensive", but less expensive right now, try Greg Lauren at Carson Street (https://www.carson-street.com/greg-lauren/shop/new-arrivals/new-this-week/product/7646/fleecetentnomadcharcoal)
post #9774 of 13790
That thing is insane. Not familiar with Greg Lauren, pretty amazing stuff, though not within budget even on sale.
post #9775 of 13790
Someone please buy this so I don't.

https://www.carson-street.com/lemaire/shop/clothing/product/8041/collarlesscoat

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Some of the conversation about Vetements would make more sense if there was any sort of common understanding of the word "streetwear." 10 years in this forum and I still don't really understand what people mean by it. Or maybe I guess I usually understand what people mean but they use it to mean different things depending on context.

 

Related: phrasehate for "elevated streetwear."

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I don't want to spend valience money -- what's the best of the regular line ?
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Someone please buy this so I don't.

https://www.carson-street.com/lemaire/shop/clothing/product/8041/collarlesscoat

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I'm glad someone took the temptation of the 48 away, but now I'm wondering if I could squeeze myself into a 46...
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If there were 52's I would've grabbed that and the suit coat. Instead I bought the soft jacket and cardigan.

I'm also surprised the zip blouson is sitting there. That's my "must kop" Lemaire piece of the season but I still haven't found a 52 in that colour.
post #9780 of 13790
this is possibly the coolest piece that i've ever seen. @SuspensionPoint i take it you guys are no longer carrying ffixxed? frown.gif


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