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I don't think it was always this way though. I remember the older guys in So Cal were well-dressed until about the end of the 80s. The wave of preppy kept a bunch of people looking pretty sharp. Then it all seemed to go downhill. Around the same time, many of the "classic" mens shops closed up.  Maybe it was the influence of designer or branded clothes or just cheaper production or the rise of discounters.  Whatever happened, I agree Americans got used to thinking about clothes as disposable cheap stuff you only buy on sale.

Did you ever shop at At Ease in Fashion Island? I remember getting my polos and topsiders there in the 80's.
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@LA Guy I'm getting a full-screen video ad for an Izuzu Yukon pop up. Kinda annoying

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I don't think it was always this way though. I remember the older guys in So Cal were well-dressed until about the end of the 80s. The wave of preppy kept a bunch of people looking pretty sharp. Then it all seemed to go downhill. Around the same time, many of the "classic" mens shops closed up.  Maybe it was the influence of designer or branded clothes or just cheaper production or the rise of discounters.  Whatever happened, I agree Americans got used to thinking about clothes as disposable cheap stuff you only buy on sale.

So, I really like the modern SoCal style.  A lot of it is pretty well considered.  But yes, I never saw a lot of guys all kitted out in Carroll&Co style, which is apparently "Old" SoCal style.

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@LA Guy I'm getting a full-screen video ad for an Izuzu Yukon pop up. Kinda annoying

I'll report it to tech, but it could also be malware on your computer - there have been a bunch that wait and pop up ads to your computer when you go to frequently visited sites, particularly forums and news sites - so you may also want to check that.  

 

Could you please tell me your browser and OS?

 

Also, what is Izuzu Yukon?

 

Cheers,

 

Fok.

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Maybe, but I've spent a lot of time throughout Europe, and not just with fashion people, and not just in major metropolitan areas.  You said you've never been to the US.  ime, the concept of "self reliance" is much stronger here than in Europe.  I mean, one of the growing religions in the US, Mormonism, even has that in their core belief systems.  Do you know of anyone in Europe who has stockpiled 6 months of rations and other survival gear?  I know a lot of "normal" American who have that in their basement, plus some weapons and ammmunition, in the event of civilization's downfall.  These are not crazies, either, though I suppos that crazy is a relative term here.

I think that it is a very similar shop, but there are over 2200 Home depot stores, an order of magnitude more than there are of Bauhaus stores.  And they are all uniformly gigantic.  And that is just the biggest chain,.  There are numerous other stores with similar things.  Put it this way.  In central san Francisco, I have found a handful of hardware stores with power tools, etc...  In my town alone, apart from the Home Depot, there are at least half a dozen stores like it, independent and from smaller chains.

I don't think europeans have the same expectation of doomsday 2.0 as the US has and most northern european countries haven't been close to having the federal state shut down, going bankrupt etc. as the Americans have, so stockpiling etc. isn't even a thing. I actually don't think I know anyone who has any premade food sitting in their cupboards at all, maybe a frozen pizza or two, but that's it.

We have MUCH MUCH MUCH stricter weapons laws, so its almost impossible to get hold of most of the stuff you see americans have in case of Zombie apocalypse. A lot of younger people have actually started going hunting and getting licensed, so the self reliance thing is a growing trend.

Everything is bigger in the US, Cost Co, Wallmart is pretty much a foreign concept for most people as well, if you walked up to someone here and told them, they would be able to buy 200 rolls of toilet paper at the same time, they would just look at you like you are retarded.

I know plenty of people how are more than capable of building their own homes from the ground up on their own. Trade schools are exceedingly common here and builders are very well payed. Most builders I know, own one of every powertool just in case.
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I know plenty of people how are more than capable of building their own homes from the ground up on their own. Trade schools are exceedingly common here and builders are very well payed. Most builders I know, own one of every powertool just in case.

Yeah, sure.  One of my best friends is a contractor, and the dude has a cement mixer.  

 

The point is not that tradesmen have the tools, it's that regular people, professionals, have entire garages full of power tools.  My lawyer has a full workshop.  He is a lawyer,.  My neighbor across the street, in sales, builds everything himself.  I personally suck at this stuff, but I've done roofing with my friends - terrible job, btw.  If you want to convince a kid to stay in school, give him a summer working as a roofer.

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I'll report it to tech, but it could also be malware on your computer - there have been a bunch that wait and pop up ads to your computer when you go to frequently visited sites, particularly forums and news sites - so you may also want to check that.  

Could you please tell me your browser and OS?

Also, what is Izuzu Yukon?

Cheers,

Fok.

i have a feeling he meant isuzu yukon
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Did you ever shop at At Ease in Fashion Island? I remember getting my polos and topsiders there in the 80's.

 

 

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So, I really like the modern SoCal style.  A lot of it is pretty well considered.  But yes, I never saw a lot of guys all kitted out in Carroll&Co style, which is apparently "Old" SoCal style.


Yep! My friend's brother worked there so we'd always hit him up for stuff. the uniform: ss button down popovers, surgicle belts, bermuda shorts and sperrys/vans/leather thongs. Basically proto Engineered Garments. Sometimes I think Daiki has a back-stock of At-Ease catalogs in his studio.

 

The old guy SoCal look also added saddle shoes and blue blazer. I think Ralph Lauren and Tommy Bahama supplanted that old West Coast trad vibe.

 

Ironically one of my first jobs (stock boy) was at Neiman's across the walkway. So I got exposed to Perry Ellis, Armani and whatever other proto #menswear brands were hot in 1985.

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Yeah, sure.  One of my best friends is a contractor, and the dude has a cement mixer.  

The point is not that tradesmen have the tools, it's that regular people, professionals, have entire garages full of power tools.  My lawyer has a full workshop.  He is a lawyer,.  My neighbor across the street, in sales, builds everything himself.  I personally suck at this stuff, but I've done roofing with my friends - terrible job, btw.  If you want to convince a kid to stay in school, give him a summer working as a roofer.

Most people I know who live in rural areas are the same way and if they can't do it their neighbor can.

A guy I know designed his own house and made a 16000+ brick scheme in CAD, so he wouldn't have to cut so many bricks and throw anything away. The same guy is currently restoring his vintage Alfa on his own, only outside work is paint and the guy is a project manger in electronics.

Roofing is a 3 year education here, they made $50-100k a year and it has close to 0% unemployment.
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I don't think general American sense of self reliance = stockpiling rations / "prepping". You've been in Idaho too long, LA Guy!

 

Oh--I think we need an editorial of Ivy dudes in survival shelters among canned goods and weapons: "the new prep."

 

 

 

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Yep! My friend's brother worked there so we'd always hit him up for stuff. the uniform: ss button down popovers, surgicle belts, bermuda shorts and sperrys/vans/leather thongs. Basically proto Engineered Garments. Sometimes I think Daiki has a back-stock of At-Ease catalogs in his studio.

 

The old guy SoCal look also added saddle shoes and blue blazer. I think Ralph Lauren and Tommy Bahama supplanted that old West Coast trad vibe.

 

Ironically one of my first jobs (stock boy) was at Neiman's across the walkway. So I got exposed to Perry Ellis, Armani and whatever other proto #menswear brands were hot in 1985.

<furiously google image searches for At Ease catalog images>

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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
 

Well, the fanny packs are typically saved for excursions into foreign lands.  

 

Also, Americans are loud, sure, but compared to the Chinese or Italians, they speak in whispers.

 

Real talk.  Mainland Chinese tourists make American tourists look like James-fucking-Bond suave sophisticates.

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<furiously google image searches for At Ease catalog images>


lol. I don't think they actually did a catlaog.  It was basically a trad men's shop catering to dudes on the coast. so sailing, beach, etc. I think they had a shop in LA (westwood?) and in Newport. They kinda captured a certain time period though. 60s-80s button-down style.

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Roofing is a 3 year education here, they made $50-100k a year and it has close to 0% unemployment.

I know a fair number of roofers, and I think that every single one of them would kill to make $50K, much less $100K.  Go socialism?

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The same goes for France. My uncle, my cousin, both my grandfathers, my neighbors growing up and most of my friends' parents are like that. Which is why neither my dad nor I bothered learning to do anything since we could always count on someone who would be happy to help us fix shit in exchange for a coffee and a slice of pie.

But do they spend their weekends shopping at Home Depot?  Because in the US, it's really a hobby, not just something people do out of necessity.  And it's not just in rural areas either.  My business partner could probably make a car with all the stuff he has in his garage, and he lives in Seattle.

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