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post #6946 of 13903
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Originally Posted by worakl View Post

But... clothing made from animals is the best clothing?

A matter of opinion obviously, but iirc Bobbin and Katy are both vegetarians or vegans so I think it's cool that they extend their principles into their clothing.

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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

How are they colouring without chemicals?

Is it all made of hemp and nylon or what?

My bad, they avoid using chemicals whenever possible so it's mostly natural dyes and cotton, but for example for glasses they use vintage cotton acetone and occasionally also deadstock or pre-used fabrics which I guess might have chemicals involved.
post #6947 of 13903
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Originally Posted by RegisDB9 View Post

Hahaha....Snow

Meanwhile in Palm Beach


I think we need to see a fit pic with the pink nail polish on you Regis wink.gif
post #6948 of 13903
Mannn I knew I should of went with fabulous fuchsia or the purple with a purpose!

Nah I'm just fucking around...who would choose that? The weekend called for a much more feisty color

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post #6949 of 13903
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Originally Posted by kindofyoung View Post


My bad, they avoid using chemicals whenever possible so it's mostly natural dyes and cotton, but for example for glasses they use vintage cotton acetone and occasionally also deadstock or pre-used fabrics which I guess might have chemicals involved.

Acetate is a chemical. I read their about us page and it seems like they are a bit in a dream world tbh. Some of the stuff looks okay though.
post #6950 of 13903
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

I read their about us page and it seems like they are a bit in a dream world tbh

+1
post #6951 of 13903

Snow in NY looks pretty brutal.

 

Meanwhile here in England we are having a third winterless year in a row. Once again making the bulk of my clobber fcking redundant.

 

Poxy climate change. May have to move to northern Norway or Finland.

post #6952 of 13903
^ this is exactly why i didn't buy the lemaire owl coat, seems heavyweight winter wear is pretty much obsolete (in london at least)
post #6953 of 13903
"nothing good comes from raising and slaughtering animals" .........ummmm charcuterie?




Joking aside, I like that lots of brands are more socially and environmentally conscious, but their About page just reeks of buzz buzz. I mean, it's like literally every single vendor at every single farmer's market I've been to. They have a good idea in the Stories angle, but then they muddy it with overused and trite philosophy on sustainability and positive change

At least some of the clothes look nice.
post #6954 of 13903
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

Acetate is a chemical. I read their about us page and it seems like they are a bit in a dream world tbh. Some of the stuff looks okay though.

I know acetate is a chemical, I thought I acknowledged that in my post above (the "I guess" part was for the deadstock/pre-used fabrics)

But I mean, they're just making an effort to make a change both with their pieces as well as their approach to production. Yes, you can easily claim that what they wish to accomplish is ultimately a dream, but it's by no means a bad dream to reach for.

I might also be biased since he's one of my favorite posters on c-t, but even though the about-page is very buzz-filled I've gotten the impression he really means every word.
Then again an about-page that works best only if you're a member on a very small online forum might not be the best about-page hah.
Edited by kindofyoung - 1/25/16 at 5:50am
post #6955 of 13903
I mean with most successful projects there's gotta be dreams and realism. You need both types of people to work together to push each other to achieve long-lasting progress, otherwise you'll just end up burning up all your fuel or becoming jaded. This is from many, many years of non-profit work where pretty much most people are big idea dreamers.

I think they can be successful, and I really like what they're doing. But I'm just so tired of the "slow" moniker and movement, and after being heavily involved (and still involved a little bit) in Slow Food, it breeds elitism in people with higher socio-economic status. Like saying "If people only did it our way, the world would be better." Slow Food at least is involved in changing policy (for better or for worse), so they at least back their fluff with some action.

I'm also very tired of people throwing around the word "chemical" to scare the shit out of people. Please stop. It does nothing but breeds ignorance.

If they frame their main mission as one of positive impact, I'd like to see Stories of that, you know? And I think that's where they can really hit home and bring their brand to the forefront without coming off like a lot of buzz-fluff. Like the hand-weaving denim thing. All of us who have spent time on fashion forums have, at one point or another, read a pretty article about denim weaving. So why do we need another? Is hand weaving good? How does it promote sustainability? Who is doing the weaving in the photos, and how does Story mfg impact that person/the environment positively by doing this? Just a missed opportunity, I suppose. Brands talk about being sustainable all the time, but the how and why gets lost in it all.

They did a whole story on natural dyes and in their About page they have this line: "We use earth- friendly plant dyes wherever possible - the byproduct of which is simply nutrient rich fertiliser." Effluent from natural dyeing isn't simply nutrient rich fertilizer, and in the stories page there's no mention of it at all. We're just supposed to accept their statement that natural dyes are better for the environment because its byproduct is supposedly a fertilizer. And I think that's a problem when one the biggest hurdles of sustainable lifestyle is education and understanding.

This post got a lot bigger than I intended, probably because I've been working so long with "local, sustainable artisans and makers" that all say the same thing. I guess I'm just disappointed because I like the clothes and the basis of their philosophy, but to see two of my favorite things (preserving our dope-ass environment and dank jawnz) combined in this way makes me sad. If they had just framed it as "We like to preserve traditional cultures and means of production" then it's a different story, but to use the label of sustainability and half-ass it makes it only slightly better than companies who use the word "All Natural Ingredients" to pull at peoples' emotions.
post #6956 of 13903
You did and it wasn't a nod at you, but that not all chemical are necessarily bad. Sustainability is an odd subject as the most sustainable houses f.x. are made of A LOT of concrete, which is highly unsustainable in it self, but used correctly it can be the opposite.

Sustainability should be a bigger subject in production, but making it profitable and in the end a sustainable business is hard. I know a couple large businesses who have this as a part of their business model and are essentially carbon neutral even though they ship stuff all over the world.

The whole killing breeding animals for meat and fur etc. is a double edge sword, yes it may be evil, BUT how many people do you know would have cows, sheep etc. if they couldn't eat them and letting them rot is evenly unsustainable. Also Mink f.x. is a pest animal, so they would be close to extinction if it wasn't for their fur.

Their "We use earth- friendly plant dyes wherever possible" this is basically an opt-out, so it could end up being anywhere between 0-100% and they could end up saying we tried, but it didn't work so now it's 0%.
post #6957 of 13903
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Originally Posted by Grove View Post

Snow in NY looks pretty brutal.

Meanwhile here in England we are having a third winterless year in a row. Once again making the bulk of my clobber fcking redundant.

Poxy climate change. May have to move to northern Norway or Finland.

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Originally Posted by robinsongreen68 View Post

^ this is exactly why i didn't buy the lemaire owl coat, seems heavyweight winter wear is pretty much obsolete (in london at least)

We did have the best part of a week below 5 degrees smile.gif

I bought a down jacket 3 yrs ago and I think I've worn it twice. It's been so mild this winter I've barely even worn my Cabourn tweed.
post #6958 of 13903
On the subject of having sustainability as a business model.
post #6959 of 13903
on a slightly related note...people need to stfu about gmos or they should be eating maize from 232048320948308309 years ago. also vaccinate yo kids.
post #6960 of 13903
If you think it's pure coincidence that SF loves GMTOs, and GMTO is like GMO + T, where T is for Trump, then either you never took conspiracy-theory math or you still haven't finished solving for Palin.
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