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I thought it was always like that
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

It's immaterial that they are not "winners" in your book.  That they are in their's is enough to make them extra insufferable.  

On a similar note, I am not sure that I can palate the Monocle Magazine anymore.  It's a noxious mixture of this type of douchebag and some very shallow, vaguely left leaning, commentary on society, commerce, etc...

These critiques always make me a little uncomfortable, probably because I think it would be remarkably easy to lob them at me, as well as pretty much everyone on this forum.

More importantly though, I think it's worth giving a bit of benefit of the doubt to people who are at least trying to create or consume good shit. Someone here fairly recently suggested that the Milk Bar was essentially "hipster crap." It may not be groundbreaking, and it may be frequented by people who are common enough to mark them as a type, but I think Milk Bar is still a huge improvement over Baskin-Robbins. Eames may be played out, or frequently used as a status signifier, but it still has a ton of merit, and it's still a huge improvement over Weirs. While trying too hard may be obvious and irritating, I still prefer it to not trying at all.

I live in suburban Dallas. I am surrounded by people in minivans wearing polos and eating at Chile's. Food, clothing, architecture, interior design, politics - it's all a homogeneous, safe blend of lazy shit. It may be more honest and less intentional than fashion victims and NYC's hottest new restaurant (and I kind of doubt that) but it's still lazy and shitty.

And most of all, I think the constant drive to parse out people's motivations and authenticity is exhausting. We're all building our personas out of whatever we can find. I think most of us would come up looking really, really lame if this level of cynicism was applied to us.

That said, Monocle is super transparent. Still buy it before flights though.
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

It's immaterial that they are not "winners" in your book.  That they are in their's is enough to make them extra insufferable.  

On a similar note, I am not sure that I can palate the Monocle Magazine anymore.  It's a noxious mixture of this type of douchebag and some very shallow, vaguely left leaning, commentary on society, commerce, etc...

Yeah, Monocle is the magazine incarnation of the people we are talking about. Now I don't hate them as total human beings but just this "social mask" (see Marx) they put on. On the other hand that soft-left, absolving of guilt through fine consumer bullshit thing is not only something I may despise but I real social problem that needs to be adressed. You can buy all the Starbucks you want and pay an additional dollar for a fair trade label so you effectively buy your absolution along with your morning coffee (these Starbucks people are geniuses in that sense) but it is merely a blinder to stop you from having a real interest in social change.

YougM: I have an Eames chair, desk and filing cabinet, not hating on the company in any way.
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Still haven't found a nice loose cozy sweatshirt.
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Still haven't found a nice loose cozy sweatshirt.

Like Caine before you, the saga continues.
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Those looks like they'd be slim and uncomfortably close to my body.

Need a nice slouchy soft quality one like old school champion.

Think I just need some champion from japan.
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Originally Posted by jet View Post

Those looks like they'd be slim and uncomfortably close to my body.

Need a nice slouchy soft quality one like old school champion.

Think I just need some champion from japan.


My geller dip dye is the softest sweater I've ever owned fwiw

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Originally Posted by YoungM View Post

These critiques always make me a little uncomfortable, probably because I think it would be remarkably easy to lob them at me, as well as pretty much everyone on this forum.

More importantly though, I think it's worth giving a bit of benefit of the doubt to people who are at least trying to create or consume good shit. Someone here fairly recently suggested that the Milk Bar was essentially "hipster crap." It may not be groundbreaking, and it may be frequented by people who are common enough to mark them as a type, but I think Milk Bar is still a huge improvement over Baskin-Robbins. Eames may be played out, or frequently used as a status signifier, but it still has a ton of merit, and it's still a huge improvement over Weirs. While trying too hard may be obvious and irritating, I still prefer it to not trying at all.

I live in suburban Dallas. I am surrounded by people in minivans wearing polos and eating at Chile's. Food, clothing, architecture, interior design, politics - it's all a homogeneous, safe blend of lazy shit. It may be more honest and less intentional than fashion victims and NYC's hottest new restaurant (and I kind of doubt that) but it's still lazy and shitty.

And most of all, I think the constant drive to parse out people's motivations and authenticity is exhausting. We're all building our personas out of whatever we can find. I think most of us would come up looking really, really lame if this level of cynicism was applied to us.

That said, Monocle is super transparent. Still buy it before flights though.

I enjoy drip over coffee at Blue Bottle every time I am in San Francisco (hey @Parker, we should go wait in line next time I am in town).  Look into my closet, and you see designer brands mixed with denim from specialty denim stores and MTO boots from Viberg and Guidi.  I'm about as much of a bougie hipster as anyone here.  

 

The thing gets me is the seeming lack of self-awareness and ability to see the silliness and contradictions of of one's own life. Why so serious? 

 

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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post
Yeah, Monocle is the magazine incarnation of the people we are talking about. Now I don't hate them as total human beings but just this "social mask" (see Marx) they put on. On the other hand that soft-left, absolving of guilt through fine consumer bullshit thing is not only something I may despise but I real social problem that needs to be adressed. You can buy all the Starbucks you want and pay an additional dollar for a fair trade label so you effectively buy your absolution along with your morning coffee (these Starbucks people are geniuses in that sense) but it is merely a blinder to stop you from having a real interest in social change.

YougM: I have an Eames chair, desk and filing cabinet, not hating on the company in any way.

This pretty much encapsulates my derision.  I mean, okay, we do this, but let's at least not fool ourselves into thinking that we are somehow superior because we buy fair trade beans or stuf made by refugee women who live in a commune or whatever.

 

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Originally Posted by jet View Post

Those looks like they'd be slim and uncomfortably close to my body.

Need a nice slouchy soft quality one like old school champion.

Think I just need some champion from japan.

Get some. Zenmarket (www.zenmarket.jp) is doing a promotion of no fees for proxying right now.  Or you could just buy straight from a Rakuten store, and they have some sort of deal going on as well.  That, plus the low yen to dollar raio, makes it the perfect time to get stuff from Japan.

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I really want to like blue bottle but every pourover I've had is incredibly sour and occasionally even tastes green not to mention the relatively exorbitant price they ask for. The New Orleans style cold brew with chicory is addicting tho


Just seems shortsighted to judge someone's intention on paying an extra dollar for free trade or organic whatever. It's not like you're telepathic and can tell whether or not they're very genuine and actually desire to spend a little more money if it helped somebody halfway across the world. Maybe that's just how they live. Maybe it's just a status thing. Maybe they just felt extra moved that day.

Only thing you can tell is why you pay for it. Why even bother thinking about why other people do it? In the end does it matter what kind of motive somebody has if they're making some kind of positive contribution?

What is a real interest in social change? If you spend your weekends volunteering for some cause is that real interest? Is it only real social change if that's what your job is and everybody else isn't doing anything real? Whereas paying an extra dollar for some product that donates it to a charity isn't real interest?
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I think it depends on what type of beans and how they're roasted. Light Roasts usually have that sour profile, which I can't stand either. I like dark blends, French style which seems really out-dated these days. There's a Blue Bottle on my street but I refuse to wait in line, so LA Guy next time you're in town, we can only go if there' no line.

 

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And most of all, I think the constant drive to parse out people's motivations and authenticity is exhausting. We're all building our personas out of whatever we can find. I think most of us would come up looking really, really lame if this level of cynicism was applied to us.

That said, Monocle is super transparent. Still buy it before flights though.

 

yeah, hence the ninja edit of my original rant which I thought was kinda mean-spirited after I wrote it. The 3Sixteen guys seem nice and make good looking jeans and what-not. Doing a collab with Herman Miller is great, if maybe a little marketing-hoohah. I'm far from cynical and I'm all for brands and people doing their thing and developing their own style. It's cool if other people like it, I just thought veg tan leather was a weird choice for that chair. Find Finn will probably de-thumb me for my own furniture choices which include a bunch of Eames and Wegner. 

 

hah, I usually get an Economist and a Monocle for long flights, just to balance out substance/style.

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yeah, hence the ninja edit of my original rant which I thought was kinda mean-spirited after I wrote it. The 3Sixteen guys seem nice and make good looking jeans and what-not. Doing a collab with Herman Miller is great, if maybe a little marketing-hoohah. I'm far from cynical and I'm all for brands and people doing their thing and developing their own style. It's cool if other people like it, I just thought veg tan leather was a weird choice for that chair. Find Finn will probably de-thumb me for my own furniture choices which include a bunch of Eames and Wegner. 

 

hah, I usually get an Economist and a Monocle for long flights, just to balance out substance/style.

Turning pages is so much work.  I just watch movies all flight #lowbrowculture

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Still haven't found a nice loose cozy sweatshirt.

 

These are what I have: http://www.sunspel.com/uk/mens/sweats.html

 

I really don't think it's possible to do better for basic cotton sweats than Sunspel.

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Originally Posted by Parker View Post


yeah, hence the ninja edit of my original rant which I thought was kinda mean-spirited after I wrote it. The 3Sixteen guys seem nice and make good looking jeans and what-not. Doing a collab with Herman Miller is great, if maybe a little marketing-hoohah. I'm far from cynical and I'm all for brands and people doing their thing and developing their own style. It's cool if other people like it, I just thought veg tan leather was a weird choice for that chair. Find Finn will probably de-thumb me for my own furniture choices which include a bunch of Eames and Wegner. 

My gripe with that collar is that it's not anything any idiot can go do with a vintage one, just like the Paul Smith Kvadrat x Egg chair & CH07 etc.. There's thousands of examples Missoni, suede etc. reupholstered ones, so why not do something that is actually special and showcases your brand and brand esthetic. This shit happens every time a fashion company does a collab with a furniture business.


Vintage 1970's rosewood tan leather.

Eames_Lounge_Chair_Tan-4.jpg

3sixteen
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Of the top of my head, they could have done redwood frame, gunmetal base with veg tan leather and pearl buttons and actually have it looks somewhat different, than a stock one.
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How much is Blue Bottle in the US? And am I supposed to tip when buying a coffee? That seems ridiculous
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