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You could look for old Helmut Lang boots (if used shoes don't gross you out). He did some that are like Palladiums with straps. Nylon and leather technical type things.



You can't buy Vanz in Vancouver? Where do all the skaters buy their gear?

I seem to remember Lang collaborating with Palladium but they might have been merely a source of inspiration.
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Talk slowly, have short breaks and try to engage the listeners.

It's basically a test of your sales pitch skills.

And a test of your ability to build a rapport in a short time, which is essentially the same thing.  Make it conversational, and anticipate and even ask yourself the rhetorical questions that are going to come up.  Very few people do not appreciate someone being able to see things from their vantage point.

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I have a final interview on Friday where I'm supposed to give "a 45 minute presentation on any topic you are passionate about". Its an IT/Asset Management firm but I'm friends with a guy that works there and he assured me that it can really be on "anything"

Do a lecture on meditation and just sit there silent.
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Well there's no sales involved in the job, they go into companies and set up the EAM program and then train the end user, so I'm assuming it's just to assess your ability to engage and educate the audience, which is why they want it be something you're passionate about. I also don't think they'll be rigid on the time limit but I'd prefer to be ready for it.
And I can have a 45 min conversation about fashion no problems but organized as a presentation and lecture and whatever will be a challenge. It just seemed like kind of a strange requirement as it's basically entry level and I wouldn't be going in to see clients, let alone doing the end user education, for at least a year.
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Well there's no sales involved in the job, they go into companies and set up the EAM program and then train the end user, so I'm assuming it's just to assess your ability to engage and educate the audience, which is why they want it be something you're passionate about. I also don't think they'll be rigid on the time limit but I'd prefer to be ready for it.
And I can have a 45 min conversation about fashion no problems but organized as a presentation and lecture and whatever will be a challenge. It just seemed like kind of a strange requirement as it's basically entry level and I wouldn't be going in to see clients, let alone doing the end user education, for at least a year.

In any position that requires more than putting part A on part B, your ability to communicate effectively will be a key skill.  This type of exercise is a gauge of both you ability to build rapport and to engage someone in a conversation (charisma, so to speak) and your ability to clearly communicate ideas, both of which are important.  And yes, part of effective communication is the ability to organize your thoughts into a coherent narrative.  I've worked with people who can't do this, and it is hell.

post #11991 of 13901
Wouldn't it be easier to pick something you hate with a passion? I imagine you can go on and on for more than 45 minutes.
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Wouldn't it be easier to pick something you hate with a passion? I imagine you can go on and on for more than 45 minutes.

lol.  Yes, it would be easier, but doing something positive is a better gauge of your charisma.  It's easy to get people to hate on something.  Much harder to get people enthused.  But yes, much easier.  

 

Maybe @OccultaVexillum should go full George Costanza at the interview.

post #11993 of 13901
If you want him to just talk aimlessly for an hour he should talk about his pet. I'm yet to meet a pet owner including myself, who isn't able to do that.
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Funny you mention Costanza, my first slide is actually about Risk Management, just to fuck with them/break the ice. Afaik there will be no more than 6 people, probably only 3 or 4, and I've met them all at the second interview and had lunch with them so it isn't completely cold. Honestly it's just a weird process, I had the interview with the partner on a Thursday and then went to Australia for 2 weeks that weekend. I told them all of this but it seems like if i hadn't gone overseas then I probably would have been hired after that interview.
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Do a lecture on meditation and just sit there silent.

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Wouldn't it be easier to pick something you hate with a passion?

Do a lecture on how to meditate on things you hate with a passion, then sit there silently while staring at the audience.

Leave it up to them to wonder what you're thinking about.
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If you really want to talk about fashion, go browse the CM side of the forum and talk about menswear, how military and sports shaped and inspired designers. Then, to get them engaged critique each interviewers dress and suggest what they can improve.It will be a live WAYWT and you can name drop some local affiliates to provide them a takeaway. It would be they who may even send you a thank you card after the meeting.

Win!
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In any position that requires more than putting part A on part B, your ability to communicate effectively will be a key skill.  This type of exercise is a gauge of both you ability to build rapport and to engage someone in a conversation (charisma, so to speak) and your ability to clearly communicate ideas, both of which are important.  And yes, part of effective communication is the ability to organize your thoughts into a coherent narrative.  I've worked with people who can't do this, and it is hell.

 

I think it's also partly (maybe even mostly) to gauge how much you want the job.   Simply doing this work and preparing the presentation, is a good indicator that you want to be part of this.   It's so easy to pretend you want the job.  Sometimes, asking candidates to work a little harder separates the truly motivated ones from the rest.    

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I think it's also partly (maybe even mostly) to gauge how much you want the job.   Simply doing this work and preparing the presentation, is a good indicator that you want to be part of this.   It's so easy to pretend you want the job.  Sometimes, asking candidates to work a little harder separates the truly motivated ones from the rest.    

Maybe you have a more jaundiced view of the workforce then I do.

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Funny you mention Costanza, my first slide is actually about Risk Management, just to fuck with them/break the ice. Afaik there will be no more than 6 people, probably only 3 or 4, and I've met them all at the second interview and had lunch with them so it isn't completely cold. Honestly it's just a weird process, I had the interview with the partner on a Thursday and then went to Australia for 2 weeks that weekend. I told them all of this but it seems like if i hadn't gone overseas then I probably would have been hired after that interview.

Just fwiw, I've found that excepting very funny, seasoned, public speakers, starting out with a joke usually goes over like a lead balloon.

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I think it's also partly (maybe even mostly) to gauge how much you want the job.   Simply doing this work and preparing the presentation, is a good indicator that you want to be part of this.   It's so easy to pretend you want the job.  Sometimes, asking candidates to work a little harder separates the truly motivated ones from the rest.    


"Motivated", ehhhh. Making candidates jump through additional hoops is also a good way to separate the ones who don't actually need *some* job from the ones who do, who may or may not have any genuine desire for that job in particular. "Motivation", and measures that purport to detect it, are largely BS.

 

(Just trying to compete for "most jaundiced" here.)

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