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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

You're thinking like an old person here (depth of knowledge, primacy of the lived-experience, familiarity through reading and more conceptually rich mediums). In a web-centric visual culture you can consume images very quickly and harness them in any way you want to, not caring all that much about their insertion in a wider context. You're consuming very vaguely defined signs and playing with them, something that we sometimes "accuse" the Japanese of doing due to a lack of cultural familiarity.

That's an interesting point. but the disassociation between clothes and social rules/ culture predates the internet. Even predates Japanese menswear culture, where things were presented in a kind of sterile, "adopt what you'd like" catalog form. All of 20th century clothing history is a slow march to "liberalizing" clothes -- kind of in-step with general liberal movements (in the European sense of the word). Basically allow people to do whatever they'd like, including dressing however they want.

And to some degree, the original meaning of so many clothes are so far back in cultural memory that they're basically pointless. The reference point for a double-rider jacket is no longer Marlon Brando and The Wild Ones; it's Kanye West. So it's more "cool musician" than "biker." Newer generations imbue clothes with their own meanings, which take them further and further away from their original, cultural contexts.

The internet may have sped all this up. I don't think any of this "wear a Megadeath tee just because you think it's cool, but don't listen to the band" would have been possible when I was in high school during the '90s, but I assume we would eventually gotten to this point with or without the internet. A 19 year old today associates wearing metal tees with Kanye West, who at this point is basically as much as fashion icon as he is a musician, not some grungy metal head with long hair. Again, it's that "clothes take new meaning over time" point.

Put it this way: you can wear a Megadeath tee right now without irony because Kanye said it's cool. You can't wear a Garth Brooks tee without irony (or without being a fan) because it still has cultural meaning. Neither can you wear a dress, cowboy hat, or any other socially loaded piece of clothing. A lot of this is a combination of liberalizing clothes (to some degree) and basically pop-culture driven trends (which are very specific in scope).
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Can someone explain what the oversized sleeves thing is about, reference to Margiela? And are the other recent collections by different designers that feature oversized sleeves doing the same thing?

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Originally Posted by accordion View Post

Can someone explain what the oversized sleeves thing is about, reference to Margiela? And are the other recent collections by different designers that feature oversized sleeves doing the same thing?

Margiela did long sleeves in the 90s



Raf Simons had long sleeves for his fw16/17 show

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FUCKTARDS STAY AWAY FROM SKATEBOARDING PLEASE.

Would be great if skateboards (like, actual skateboards) became the next hot accessory. Like, in a post-authenticity way -- just dudes carrying skateboards in their hands cause they're considered cool.
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If that happens I might as well bust out some etnies and a Kerry Getz Habitat I have in a trash bag somewhere
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Would be great if skateboards (like, actual skateboards) became the next hot accessory. Like, in a post-authenticity way -- just dudes carrying skateboards in their hands cause they're considered cool.

Well, it already happened at the height of authenticity, when guys started buying artisanal axes...

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I think Pete is right with the Megadeath example. None of these are being worn for ironic purposes; it's just because X item has been deemed cool.

I interpret it more as a commercialization of irony.  Instead of getting your Megadeth tee at a thrift shop or vintage store, you get it from a designer who has validated the statement.

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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Would be great if skateboards (like, actual skateboards) became the next hot accessory. Like, in a post-authenticity way -- just dudes carrying skateboards in their hands cause they're considered cool.

I think there's an SZ editorial that fits the bill...
http://www.sz-mag.com/news/2014/04/editorial-contemplating-harlem/
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Would be great if skateboards (like, actual skateboards) became the next hot accessory. Like, in a post-authenticity way -- just dudes carrying skateboards in their hands cause they're considered cool.

I'm pretty sure this is already a thing in teen world. I'm seeing more and more skateboards and especially people carrying longboards.

At least they are not on fucking scooter throwing them around "doing tricks" in crowded spaces like their younger siblings.
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Well, it already happened at the height of authenticity, when guys started buying artisanal axes...

Haven't bought any, but I like the workmanship on them and a lot of those smaller artisan knife makers make some gorgeous knives.
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I interpret it more as a commercialization of irony.  Instead of getting your Megadeth tee at a thrift shop or vintage store, you get it from a designer who has validated the statement.

Yea, but there's no "wink" involved in the wearing. I think irony has to involve a knowing wink, like "I know I'm not supposed to wear this, but I'm doing so to make a statement." People wearing metal tees right now don't care if they are or are not supposed to wear them. Context is irrelevant; it's just a fashion item.

It's like a cafe racer for most of us. I don't wear cafe racers because I'm making an ironic statement. Nor am I wearing one because I ride a motorcycle. It's just a cool thing to wear.
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Haven't bought any, but I like the workmanship on them and a lot of those smaller artisan knife makers make some gorgeous knives.

I have a dinosaur bone dasmascus steel knife from my kids, and it is fucking gorgeous.  I don't carry it around with me though.

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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post


Yea, but there's no "wink" involved in the wearing. I think irony has to involve a knowing wink, like "I know I'm not supposed to wear this, but I'm doing so to make a statement." People wearing metal tees right now don't care if they are or are not supposed to wear them. Context is irrelevant; it's just a fashion item.

It's like a cafe racer for most of us. I don't wear cafe racers because I'm making an ironic statement. Nor am I wearing one because I ride a motorcycle. It's just a cool thing to wear.

I understand, but I just don't see the lack of a wink, I guess.  

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Saw this on c-t, "Gosha Rubchinskiy is my best friend."

 

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^ funny. That is how I picture the corporate office of Grailed.com. At least if they were to relocate to Russia.
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