What abot the slim suits and minimal details inspired by mods? They has been considered in good taste - as opposed to the ostentatious "Pitti" uniforms that people have fun reviling.
Hm, that's a good example. I don't think those are considered in "good taste" (in the Manton sense), but it's true that they're generally popular/ well-loved, even though they were rejected by elites (largely speaking, anyway).
If you have enough swagger, you could rock any color shoe. I don't know many dudes that could pull those CPs off. You really need to give no fucks at all and that's pretty rare.
That first CDG model could wear them with that outfit just as easily IMO.
My problem is it seems like people just sub them in for white CPs most of the time, and it just doesn't work. For example, I see a lot of monochrome black/white fits with rose or mint sneakers. It's like the SWD equivalent of black suit/white shirt/pastel tie, which usually looks hideous. The runway models are wearing some color up top, which balances it out.
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Originally Posted by Synthese
What's up with dudes wearing windsors/half windsors? See it everywhere, always tied too short. Is that like what GQ says is fancier?
A full Windsor is a big, fat, ostentatious knot, but the half windsor is sorta the standard knot of choice. It's symmetrical, it's neat, and it is more formal than a four-in-hand. It's the knot that we had to use in my high school uniform, for example.
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A full Windsor used to be more popular, and ties were tied shorter as well - remember that pants used to sit much closer to the natural waist. a half Windsor is not going to be that short unless you are really tall, or don't know how to gauge how much length to leave in the blade.
Also, I think that if a tie hits below the top of the belt. it's probably too long. A lot too short also looks silly, but I tend to err on the side of too short rather than too long, Too long says "high school prom."
The sense I get is that a lot of the people that wear either Windsor knot have some sort of superiority complex that they learned to tie a "better" tie knot, especially young people. They focus on "what" vs. "how," which is an immature attitude in general. (I say this because I used to be like that. I thought I had learned something special that set me apart when I learned a half Windsor, even though I was wearing shitty ties with bad fits, like the aforementioned black suit with a colored tie.)
I would argue that since most men use a four-in-hand when wearing morning dress (the most formal use of a long tie), the four-in-hand is no less formal than any other knot. As I always say when this issue comes up, if you look at historical pictures, 90%+ of classic men's style icons used a four-in-hand knot.
If you believe one of the characteristics of classic/everyday style is "effortlessness," the Windsor knots fly in the face of this. Tie whatever knot you want (as long as the proportions work), just know it doesn't make that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things.