Originally Posted by sleepyinsanfran
well that's what I thought too (subpar hide), but when a shoemaker with 40 years in the trade tells you it's the fit... I'm trying to take it educationally
(but they're your shoes, so I understand that you would feel differently!)
Just for clarity...I'm not saying, definitively, that it's the fit. Nor am I saying that it's the leather. It could be either / or. Or it could just be the nature of that particular leather and not the quality.
But when we try to fit ourselves too often we really don't use realistic criteria and then we end up blaming the leather or the shoemaker.
I am assuming this is an RTW.
Now many people...including master shoemakers...would disagree with me and certainly a whole slew of consumers will take issue. If for that reason alone, I'm not going to critique the fit. I'm not there, I'm not wearing the shoes and fit is all too often in the "eye of the beholder." A bespoke shoemaker quickly learns that fitting the head is the better part of fitting the foot. That said, my take is that the facings are lacing up too close together on these shoes. It's also an early indicator that the shoe will be loose in the forepart--over the joint. That's a choice the customer often deliberately makes. And more power to them. But it leaves no leeway for ease in the shoe as it is worn. Soon enough the facings will close up edge to edge and then the shoe will never again be snug on the foot...as I think it should be.
People can take this all with a grain of salt--I spent most of my career making pull-on boots. There, the boot fits or it doesn't. Period. You have no laces to loosen or snug the fit up. And it does no one any good for the foot to be bouncing around inside a boot like a ball in a handball court. A boot should fit like a second skin. No slack, no chasing pipes and wrinkles ahead of your fingers when you feel the foot inside the boot.
My philosophy is that a shoe shouldn't be much different. It shouldn't fit like a slipper...despite urban myth and wishful thinking. Despite urban myth and wishful thinking, even a bespoke shoe needs to break in.