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post #136 of 225
^Awesome! So how do you think the Bonafe wholecuts stack up with the St Crispin's? I sort of think of the Bonafe wholecuts as poor man's St Crispin's, but I've never actually seen StC's in person.
post #137 of 225
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^Awesome! So how do you think the Bonafe wholecuts stack up with the St Crispin's? I sort of think of the Bonafe wholecuts as poor man's St Crispin's, but I've never actually seen StC's in person.

At first impressions, I would say that the finishing on the St. Crispin's is finer, but the quality of the leather is comparable. Once I get a chance to wear the Bonafe's for a while I will let you know.
post #138 of 225
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Originally Posted by MacktasticGDogg View Post

^Awesome! So how do you think the Bonafe wholecuts stack up with the St Crispin's? I sort of think of the Bonafe wholecuts as poor man's St Crispin's, but I've never actually seen StC's in person.

At first impressions, I would say that the finishing on the St. Crispin's is finer, but the quality of the leather is comparable. Once I get a chance to wear the Bonafe's for a while I will let you know.

Cool. Enjoy those fine shoes!
post #139 of 225
If you don't mind me asking, what was the price delta between the StC's and the Bonafes? And do you think the premium for the seamless wholecut was worth it?
post #140 of 225
The Enzo's would only be considered the poor mans because they cost less, their shoes are a better price point than probably any other hand made shoe out there, does not mean less quality. If they charged more no one could say poor mans anything they would than be considered over priced, not a fan of Big names in the retail market, maybe because I'm a craftsman myself I like the smaller guys who still do things themselves and by there own hands instead of bigger name brands with CEO 's and presidents that run the company
post #141 of 225
My 2 pairs of enzo wholecuts are great. The leather and finishing is easily on par with Edward Green, St. C's, G&G, and they are hand welted. Not saying it's better or worse, as I'm not an expert in leather. But, I have handled all of these above brands and I can tell you that to find a significant difference in finishing or construction is basically splitting hairs.

On another note, I really don't understand the appeal of a seamless heel wholecut shoe. Is that what will justify the extra $1000.00 ? The seam is in the back and it's covered by your pants. To each his own, but I just can't see why anybody would care about such a detail, or how that would be a deal breaker.
post #142 of 225
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My 2 pairs of enzo wholecuts are great. The leather and finishing is easily on par with Edward Green, St. C's, G&G, and they are hand welted. Not saying it's better or worse, as I'm not an expert in leather. But, I have handled all of these above brands and I can tell you that to find a significant difference in finishing or construction is basically splitting hairs.

On another note, I really don't understand the appeal of a seamless heel wholecut shoe. Is that what will justify the extra $1000.00 ? The seam is in the back and it's covered by your pants. To each his own, but I just can't see why anybody would care about such a detail, or how that would be a deal breaker.

All of the above.
post #143 of 225
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If you don't mind me asking, what was the price delta between the StC's and the Bonafes? And do you think the premium for the seamless wholecut was worth it?

The StC-shoes are more than double the price of EB. That's not a seamless wholecut though, if I'm correct, the seam is on the inside of the heel. If it where a seamless, it would be more than three times the price.
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On another note, I really don't understand the appeal of a seamless heel wholecut shoe. Is that what will justify the extra $1000.00 ? The seam is in the back and it's covered by your pants. To each his own, but I just can't see why anybody would care about such a detail, or how that would be a deal breaker.

It's not design that's the reason, it's the idea of a shoe made in one piece of leather without any seams. No one will notice, not even shoe nerds, especially not if it's with the seam on the inside like the StC above (the replies here shows this very well, you can see the seam if you look close on the pics), if the shoe is a wholecut or a seamless wholecut. But the idea and knowledge that you own and wear a shoe without seams is worth the up charge in many peoples eyes. And the possibility to show people the fact that it has no seams, and tell them about how it was constructed... It's each to his own if you think it's worth it, just saying that the look isn't the important thing here.

I would know, I'm waiting for a pair of seamless bespoke from Maftei (though the up charge there is much less, just $250. In fact the price for full bespoke seamless Maftei is lower than standard RTW StC shoes, both with hollow shoe trees. Maftei seamless is at $1600 approx.).
post #144 of 225
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The StC-shoes are more than double the price of EB. That's not a seamless wholecut though, if I'm correct, the seam is on the inside of the heel. If it where a seamless, it would be more than three times the price.
It's not design that's the reason, it's the idea of a shoe made in one piece of leather without any seams. No one will notice, not even shoe nerds, especially not if it's with the seam on the inside like the StC above (the replies here shows this very well, you can see the seam if you look close on the pics), if the shoe is a wholecut or a seamless wholecut. But the idea and knowledge that you own and wear a shoe without seams is worth the up charge in many peoples eyes. And the possibility to show people the fact that it has no seams, and tell them about how it was constructed... It's each to his own if you think it's worth it, just saying that the look isn't the important thing here.

I would know, I'm waiting for a pair of seamless bespoke from Maftei (though the up charge there is much less, just $250. In fact the price for full bespoke seamless Maftei is lower than standard RTW StC shoes, both with hollow shoe trees. Maftei seamless is at $1600 approx.).

Enzo Bonafé makes a seamless wholecut for 7800 SEK (inc. VAT). +15% for MTO. Also, Bonafé has a semi-bespoke program that I have not tried yet though, but I will during my next visit there.
post #145 of 225
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Enzo Bonafé makes a seamless wholecut for 7800 SEK (inc. VAT). +15% for MTO. Also, Bonafé has a semi-bespoke program that I have not tried yet though, but I will during my next visit there.

Nice! You should add a seamless wholecut to your offerings Leaves, for that price they will most likely fly of the shelves. Must be the cheapest seamless ones around.

Also, you guys in the shop should get trained to take measurements for their semi-bespoke, so we can order that from you. Since my feet don't go that well with EB lasts, I would love this personally. What is the up charge?
post #146 of 225
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Originally Posted by j ingevaldsson View Post

The StC-shoes are more than double the price of EB. That's not a seamless wholecut though, if I'm correct, the seam is on the inside of the heel. If it where a seamless, it would be more than three times the price.
It's not design that's the reason, it's the idea of a shoe made in one piece of leather without any seams. No one will notice, not even shoe nerds, especially not if it's with the seam on the inside like the StC above (the replies here shows this very well, you can see the seam if you look close on the pics), if the shoe is a wholecut or a seamless wholecut. But the idea and knowledge that you own and wear a shoe without seams is worth the up charge in many peoples eyes. And the possibility to show people the fact that it has no seams, and tell them about how it was constructed... It's each to his own if you think it's worth it, just saying that the look isn't the important thing here.

I would know, I'm waiting for a pair of seamless bespoke from Maftei (though the up charge there is much less, just $250. In fact the price for full bespoke seamless Maftei is lower than standard RTW StC shoes, both with hollow shoe trees. Maftei seamless is at $1600 approx.).

May I ask how many visits are needed for Maftei bespoke? And do they offer MTO?
Thx
post #147 of 225
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Originally Posted by j ingevaldsson View Post

Nice! You should add a seamless wholecut to your offerings Leaves, for that price they will most likely fly of the shelves. Must be the cheapest seamless ones around.

Also, you guys in the shop should get trained to take measurements for their semi-bespoke, so we can order that from you. Since my feet don't go that well with EB lasts, I would love this personally. What is the up charge?

Yes this is a good idea.

It would be nice to know.
post #148 of 225
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May I ask how many visits are needed for Maftei bespoke? And do they offer MTO?
Thx

No MTO. Bespoke requires two visits, one for measurement and one for fitting. If there is much work to do on the last it might require a second fitting, but they can just send the test shoes for that in most cases. Price start at €1100 (first order with last making included, further orders €900) for hand welted. Seamless wholecut is €200 up charge.
post #149 of 225
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Originally Posted by j ingevaldsson View Post

No MTO. Bespoke requires two visits, one for measurement and one for fitting. If there is much work to do on the last it might require a second fitting, but they can just send the test shoes for that in most cases. Price start at €1100 (first order with last making included, further orders €900) for hand welted. Seamless wholecut is €200 up charge.

 


What do prices start at for bespoke GY-welted shoes at Maftei?
post #150 of 225
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Originally Posted by j ingevaldsson View Post

No MTO. Bespoke requires two visits, one for measurement and one for fitting. If there is much work to do on the last it might require a second fitting, but they can just send the test shoes for that in most cases. Price start at €1100 (first order with last making included, further orders €900) for hand welted. Seamless wholecut is €200 up charge.

 


What do prices start at for bespoke GY-welted shoes at Maftei?

They don't do Goodyear welted (very rare that that bespoke makers offers this), just hand welted or norvegese.
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