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Plasma v. LCD

post #1 of 56
11/2/07 at 10:52pm
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Pioneer ( non-Elite ) Plasma 50" ( ISF-calibrated, fed hi-def DVD )










SONY LCD 46" XBR3/4 ( state of tune unknown, fed hi-def DVD & MOJO Channel via CB ( last pic ) )





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post #2 of 56
11/2/07 at 11:03pm
Not trying to be a jerk. But what's your point?

Curious to know, do digital pictures of high-def screen shots translate and convey the picture quality accurately? I think, for example, the casino royale looks pretty good for what you've posted, but I'm presuming it looks much better in person.
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post #3 of 56
11/3/07 at 1:08am
Pictures don't really convey the quality differences. The Pioneer Kuros will destroy any LCD, including the Sonys.

--Andre
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post #4 of 56
11/3/07 at 2:01am
LCD is good for bright rooms without light-control. Plasmas have better IQ if you can control the lighting though.
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post #5 of 56
11/3/07 at 2:16am
I hated big-screen LCDs but I can tell you that the Pioneer Plasma my father bought is *fantastic*. There is a huge difference in image quality between that and the LCDs they show at best buy. I mean humongous. The sharpness, contrast and color temps were way better between with the plasma.
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post #6 of 56
11/3/07 at 12:40pm
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I hated big-screen LCDs but I can tell you that the Pioneer Plasma my father bought is *fantastic*. There is a huge difference in image quality between that and the LCDs they show at best buy. I mean humongous. The sharpness, contrast and color temps were way better between with the plasma.

Ya, there's really no comparison. The best displays are plasma, period. LCD has its advantages too, but overall, plasma kills it in the IQ department and that's what matters most.
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post #7 of 56
11/3/07 at 2:07pm
We bought a 50" NEC plasma for our remodeled living room. It's an absolutely fantastic display. Football in HD on that is...
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post #8 of 56
11/3/07 at 2:17pm
I went with LCD because of glare. This was a couple of years ago and there was only one plasma TV that didn't glare (had some layer over the glass?) but it was out of my price range.
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post #9 of 56
11/3/07 at 5:07pm
What about "burn in" in plasma?
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post #10 of 56
11/3/07 at 5:15pm
Thread Starter 
SONY is out of plasma game. Has been for a number of years.
Pioneer, which engineers/manufactures the best plasmas, has put on hold previous plan to build a new factory near Tokyo. Reason ? Dissapointing sales.
Already Sharp and Samsung produce LCD models with unheard-of-before black levels.
Visit any upcoming (industry) trade show and look @ the % of floor space taken up by plasma v. LCD displays.
The latter are lighter, cheaper and easier to transport. Before the best LCD product out there matches and/or surpasses the performance of the best plasmas is a question of time.



P.S. The above pics are unedited and not part of any manufacturer B.S. promotion. I'd like to hear how the images in the 1st group are superior to the 2nd one
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post #11 of 56
11/3/07 at 9:16pm
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What about "burn in" in plasma?

Burn in is greatly reduced if a plasma is broken in properly. The first 150-200 hours of a plasma's life is crucial to this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=608677

Of course, if you watch CNBC all day long, then there's not much you can do about it burn-in even on LCDs.

As for the pictures, the point is that you cannot judge a TV's quality from pictures viewed on a random monitor.

--Andre
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post #12 of 56
11/3/07 at 9:26pm
We thought long and hard before we finally took the plunge into a large flat screen. I have a friend that is a master engineer at a TV station. He told me he now feels that LCD is every bit as good as plasma except for the black. Color is even to better. Brightness and radius of view is a no brainer for LCD.

The black level is due to how LCDs work, they shutter light. So the small amount of "noise" you get is the shuttering effect.

We bought the top of the line Sony 46" LCD for $3.6k, no interest for three years (just as an added bonus). The Pioneer we were comparing it too cost double that. If for no other reason, the quality/price ratio the LCD wins by far IMO.
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post #13 of 56
11/3/07 at 9:41pm
I have the Pioneer Plasma and decided to buy it over the LCDs because of the picture during movement. I find the picture quality between plasma and LCD is similar, but when the picture moves (like sports) I think plasma works better. I really don`t care about the quality numbers of the still pictures, because I don`t watch still pictures on my TV. Oh yeah, and what Piobaire pointed out about the black too... While the colors are supposed to better in an LCD, black is better in plasma, and I think black is one of the most important colors to get that crisp look.
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post #14 of 56
11/3/07 at 11:36pm
Dragon, the amount of "noise" in my black is very small. The only time it is noticeable is on a very small section of my screen in a scene such as a Star Wars type space scene. The black in say, a picture box border, is perfectly black, as none of the "lights" are lit. The LCD ghosting, which was really a problem in early computer flat screens, is not noticeable on this generation of top end LCDs. I will say that 10k Pioneer Elite no doubt beats my Sony, but for over 6k in my pocket, I'll live with that fact
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post #15 of 56
11/4/07 at 8:34am
Plasma, absolutely no contest from LCD.

its always been like that, lcd is always playing catch up to plasma with new technologies and sony is doing very well, but for my money plasma always wins hands down.

we just got a new Panasonic VIERA TH-42PX70A 42" and it is wonderful. Full HD as well

In comparison my friend just bought the new sony bravia x series LCD full hd (probably most popular LCD on the market) and for something that is so much more expensive it is worse! colours are nowhere near as vivid and picture isnt as sharp as my tv, he commented that my tv looked better than his and almost dropped dead when he heard the price. In his defence, his tv is much better looking with the glass casing

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What about "burn in" in plasma?

maybe in the first few years of plasma but these days its completely unheard of. New technologies like pixel shift (which moves the picture ever so slightly so colours dont "burn in", but is invisible to the eye) make it near impossible for it to occur.

a company would never sell an item as defective as this. its like saying toyota brings out a new car that "may or may not" explode if you brake too hard.

its something that is still brought up by pro-lcd companies to diffuse plasma's popularity and demand.
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