I thought I was being quite logical in my argument and contribution to this thread. I am a tailor, but leave that aside. I am not the one hanging " Tailor" above my door and being misleading as I pointed out quite carefully. If 5 of you have commented on P Jonson and 1 or more of you thought you were buying a tailored suit, then that, ( and I am being polite here) slightly misleading advertising is working on 20%, the 20 % who said it was good enough anyway. So no need to mislead in the first place. That seems logical at least.
I also pointed out that not all tailors are good and I am certainly not the best. I know better. You are only as good as your last suit after all. The last 3 clients were very happy and took the trouble to let me know.
Which is nice. I am always a little apprehensive after 80 Hours of toil that I have done my best for all.
However I stand by what I say and having a fair amount of expertise to say it. I like to think of it all, like a Venn diagram, I think that's the right term. In circle "A" is off the peg "B" is Made to Measure, "C" is Fits extremely well and "D" is "Bespoke".
Perhaps for arguments sake 2% of A overlaps with C, 10% of B overlaps with C and say 40% of D overlaps with C. None of this is scientific of course but you get the idea of what I think on this.
I think you ought to know that some factories buy very good cloth.Tailors and Made to measure depend on what is termed cut length. Here is an idea of how it works.
240 M plus of cloth ie 4 pieces from a mill say 21 GBP per M,
2 pieces or 120 say 23 GBP per M
30 m plus say 29 GBP per M
Cut length ie a suit length say 60 GBP per M
Sometimes a large factory will be buying the same quality, Cut length offers you the variety of choice and as you can see you are paying a premium.and that's fair. Someone has to roll off the length, inspect it and put the piece back and send the length.
It would be fair to say,the only people who know a good cloth from a bad one will be someone with a lot of experience at working with the cloth over there knee. You become familiar with problems from different weaves and ranges. And when you think you have got to Yoda status, then you talk with someone who's job it is to make the cloth, whether it be design or on the Mill floor and you realize how much you don't know yet and naturally beyond that you don't know what you don't know. ( I can't stand that saying)
With MTM you don't do anything with the cloth, you just have the label to go by and all you get is staple length ie super 100's..etc. all you have is touch. I did watch a suit salesman smell a cloth once, I thought he was going to eat it next.
I think if you took the time ( if you can bear it) to re read what I said in my previous post on this thread you will see i am in support of MTM as it is. I am not in support of it when it deliberately aspires to be something else it is not. I think I was quite complimentary about P Johnson it seemed to be a neatly finished factory suit. Did it fit? In my opinion, not even close. Short in the front Balance, too long in the back balance for starters, but I guess you had to be there.
As for the 8K for a suit. No wonder I am poor. 4K is what I currently charge but to be sure prices are going up on Monday!
I would have replied earlier but was at the flicks seeing " The Woman in Gold" ...highly recommended,
I think you may be aware that I will not be joining you as fully paid up members of the P Johnson cheer squad whilst they continue with Tailors as their MO and I think that is fair.and that I have presented this thoroughly.... again