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Trump would eviscerate romney just like he did with every other establishment candidate, someone like Ben Carson would have a chance if they didn't fall asleep at the debates weren't completely terrible, basically you need an outsider this year or at least someone seen as an outsider.

Fixed. The fact that a garbage candidate like Carson had any support shows how much the Republican voter base is dissatisfied with the establishment right now.
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Fixed. The fact that a garbage candidate like Carson had any support shows how much the Republican voter base is dissatisfied with the establishment right now.

 

You could argue, to a lesser extent, the same is true for Bernie Sanders.  I can't believe that someone who wasn't even a Democrat until he started running for President or a self-declared socialist would even have a remote chance of either winning the nomination or general (he seemingly polls better in general election matchups than Clinton).

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Well, I didn't have sex with Bernie Sanders.
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You could argue, to a lesser extent, the same is true for Bernie Sanders.  I can't believe that someone who wasn't even a Democrat until he started running for President or a self-declared socialist would even have a remote chance of either winning the nomination or general (he seemingly polls better in general election matchups than Clinton).

A much less extent though. Sanders is still a career politician and he's espousing largely standard progressive views. The "democratic socialist" thing is a new wrinkle, obviously, but he's an enormously better candidate for the primary demographics than Carson.


I think the general election matchup polling stuff comes down to the vagaries of how those polls are done. People get a binary choice (that assumes they're showing up to vote), they don't know much about Sanders, and they don't like the Republican offerings. They're pretty much worthless for predictions, especially for the lagging candidate. Imagine how people would feel about hearing "democratic socialist" and "I will raise taxes. Yes I will." ads on loop for eight months.
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A much less extent though. Sanders is still a career politician and he's espousing largely standard progressive views. The "democratic socialist" thing is a new wrinkle, obviously, but he's an enormously better candidate for the primary demographics than Carson.


I think the general election matchup polling stuff comes down to the vagaries of how those polls are done. People get a binary choice (that assumes they're showing up to vote), they don't know much about Sanders, and they don't like the Republican offerings. They're pretty much worthless for predictions, especially for the lagging candidate. Imagine how people would feel about hearing "democratic socialist" and "I will raise taxes. Yes I will." ads on loop for eight months.

 

I agree, but the Republicans always have a candidate like Carson.  They always peak early and then fade.  Just like the Democrats almost always have a very progressive candidate that normally fades much earlier.

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I agree, but the Republicans always have a candidate like Carson.  They always peak early and then fade.  Just like the Democrats almost always have a very progressive candidate that normally fades much earlier.

Other than 2012, what other examples are there? Everybody in 2008 and 2000 had political experience.
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Other than 2012, what other examples are there? Everybody in 2008 and 2000 had political experience.

 

My point is that often the Republicans run these people, and they often get some level of support or they catch on briefly.

 

2008 on the Republican side had Alan Keyes, who was an ambassador but pretty much a joke.  Most of the rest were marginally popular single term senators or governors and none of them got much in terms of votes.  On the Democratic side, there was Dennis Kucinich (not that he didn't have experience, but he was the token far left candidate).

 

In 2000, Forbes ran, who had no political experience.  Keyes ran (5% of the vote), and so did Gary Bauer who was an undersecretary of education, but better known for his time on the Family Research Council.

 

In 1996, the Republicans had Pat Buchanan who got 20% of the vote and 4 states


In 1988 Pat Robertson won states.

 

 

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There is a guy a few blocks from us who has approximately 25 Bernie signs in his yard, plus a 20' "MN for Bernie" banner.  The guy got super pissed when my brother asked if he could have one of the signs because the guy had a lot of signs and we didn't have any.

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WTF are those things?

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

There is a guy a few blocks from us who has approximately 25 Bernie signs in his yard, plus a 20' "MN for Bernie" banner.  The guy got super pissed when my brother asked if he could have one of the signs because the guy had a lot of signs and we didn't have any.

Bernie gets elected, this guy gets his taxes raised, is then interviewed on CNN saying he didn't think it was his taxes that were going to get raised and he feels betrayed.
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WTF are those things?

Furries.


Furries for Bernie, apparently.
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Somebody put a Bernie sign in my yard this morning.
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Somebody put a Bernie sign in my yard this morning.

I wouldn't have mind, that loveable socialist on my yard. If it was a Hillary sign however... I'd want revenge.
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