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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Just admit you're not going to share with us all those things that cannot be said.

I'm glad we got out of you abortion = murder though.

No no, abortion is worse than slavery. That's novel territory.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

No no, abortion is worse than slavery. That's novel territory.

If that's the case then slavery should be legal, right?
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Thread Starter 
CNN writing about last night's debate. Who do we think this writer favours? http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/06/politics/democratic-debate-recap/index.html
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When Clinton was asked about fracking, she launched into a nuanced answer that gave credence to localities, state governments, and more. Her bottom line: There wouldn't be many places where it would be OK under her.

Sanders had a much simpler answer. "No," he said. He doesn't support it. And he said he doesn't care about all the Democratic governors who support it.

This, in a nutshell, is the difference between them. She has nuanced positions that look at the breadth of opinion across the country. She's also keenly aware of the limitations of government, and strains to keep her positions within those limits -- part of what she calls her "responsibility gene."

Sanders has definitive positions that take a look at his ideology. That's the Democrat's choice: nuance or no nuance.

The bolded really makes me laugh.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


No no, abortion is worse than slavery. That's novel territory.

 

I'm not defending the position, but I could see the argument going something like this:

If you assume a fetus is a human being and has natural rights, then abortion would be murder.  Then you could argue that it is worse than slavery because being murdered denies you of your most basic right: the right to life.  Meanwhile, slavery denies you almost all other rights, but you don't lose the right to life.

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

I'm not defending the position, but I could see the argument going something like this:


If you assume a fetus is a human being and has natural rights, then abortion would be murder.  Then you could argue that it is worse than slavery because being murdered denies you of your most basic right: the right to life.  Meanwhile, slavery denies you almost all other rights, but you don't lose the right to life.

I was making fun because, you know, greger. But I understand the "abortion is murder" position, even if I don't agree with it or think it's socially viable.

But the slavery comparison is still dumb, because why make the comparison? It's just needless hyperbole. "Worst thing since" arguments are almost always dumb unless it's a very similar scenario (the Rwandan genocide is the worst since the Cambodian genocide, etc).

If you think abortion is as bad as murder, it's a lot more straight forward to say that you view modern abortion as a campaign of systematic murder than "worse than slavery" or "worse than the Holocaust" or whatever. The emotional hangups with the comparisons aren't helping anyone's argument.
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Bernie says white America doesn't know what it's like to be poor, but give him 4 years and he can teach them.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


I was making fun because, you know, greger. But I understand the "abortion is murder" position, even if I don't agree with it or think it's socially viable.

But the slavery comparison is still dumb, because why make the comparison? It's just needless hyperbole. "Worst thing since" arguments are almost always dumb unless it's a very similar scenario (the Rwandan genocide is the worst since the Cambodian genocide, etc).

If you think abortion is as bad as murder, it's a lot more straight forward to say that you view modern abortion as a campaign of systematic murder than "worse than slavery" or "worse than the Holocaust" or whatever. The emotional hangups with the comparisons aren't helping anyone's argument.

 

Yeah, that's fair.  Personally, I think it is a waste of time to compare which horrible thing is more horrible.

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well we have no recollection from early fetal stages and i also doubt any awareness is formed until later in pregnancy, so idk why should it be immoral or very horrible, should go to individual person to decide whether or not its moral for her not by federal law imo
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It's not really murder until the kid is three or so.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

It's not really murder until the kid is three or so.

unless its not your kid, then you'd have to pay blood money, besides that good idea
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Bernie says white America doesn't know what it's like to be poor, but give him 4 years and he can teach them.


I don't like you but this was funny. 

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Most of the Bernie supporters I know are the same kind of people that think Congressmen make astronomical amounts of money. I guess if you like $150k is baller money, you're not all that likely to be concerned about big tax increases for those "millionaires" making low six figures.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Most of the Bernie supporters I know are the same kind of people that think Congressmen make astronomical amounts of money. I guess if you like $150k is baller money, you're not all that likely to be concerned about big tax increases for those "millionaires" making low six figures.

Well....there are quite a few Congressmen who abuse the shit out of expense reimbursement. Also, when your investments outperform everyone else, you don't need to save as much.

But yea, on its face, $150k in Washington, DC is solidly middle class.
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

Also, when your investments outperform everyone else, you don't need to save as much.
You mean the TSP, or their habit of investing based on insider knowledge from committee hearings?

TSP is pretty sweet. 0.029% expense ratio lol.
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But yea, on its face, $150k in Washington, DC is solidly middle class.
Especially when you have to maintain residency back home too.
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Also, Reddit is fucking intolerable right now. Every third thread is some bullshit pro-Bernie post. They're almost all stupid, like "zomg the media is ignoring Bernie winning three small states while Hillary won a big state and they got the same number of delegates conspiracy lol Hillary is doomed."
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